Why does the boxing media continue to ignore the ring belt.

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  1. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    you reckon they wouldn't have bought Khan vs Marquez which Goldenboy tried to make? The WBA said its Maidana next or you loose the belt.
     
  2. nip102

    nip102 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    no he isn't ranked at ww
    http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/61-welterweight
    he cameback to fight in a replay of a fight of the year
     
  3. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    You know why The Ring can't/ won't do that Rob. Do I have to explain it to you again?
     
  4. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    what do you mean how its done. when a fight wins the title you explain to them the rules. one of those is you have to defend against a top 5 contender within a year, if you don't purse bids will be called for you against the no.1 ranked fighter. its not difficult.

    The problem with the belts is there diluted by the other belts as they don't rank each others champions. thats why you get guys like Zbik and Solis (both top 10 with the Ring btw) as mandatorys because other better fighters are holding other belts or mandatorys with the governing body. However dumb or corrupt you think the ABC's are none of them go out of there way to rank bad fighters. try making a top 15 in the Middleweight division but you cant rank Martinez, Zbik, Chavez Jnr, Sturm, Sylvester, Golovkin, N'Jakim, Geale as thats the problem the WBO have.
     
  5. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The reason the RIng has credence is becaue it essentially follows or does its best in awarding it to the lineal champ. The problem occurs when the lineal champ obviously then doesnt continue to fight the top level of opposition and there are other contenders who are arguably better.

    If the Ring were to introduce mandatories it would devalue the belt because people would just not fight for it. The Ring belt should be awarded to the clear number 1 in the division and then stripped from a particular fighter only when there is doubt over their supremacy in that division and they are not fighting the other legitimate contender.

    I agree with posters why is a magazine any worse placed than an alphabet organisation in handing out belts. At least the RIng can claim to give the belt to the person who is undoubtedly number 1 in their division at the point of it being awarded which is more than any other governing body can guarantee
     
  6. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    What youve told me before is your opinion on why lineage is more important than champions fighting the highest ranked opponent. its not an explanation of why the Ring can't or won't enforce some quality control by having mandatories.
     
  7. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    Fair enough it doesn't have to be a mandatory but some form of quality control. If you say a Champion has to fight a top 5 contender every 365 days, and every other defence has to be against a top 10 fighter in there division or they get stripped. This eliminates the problem??

    If you look at Wladamir Klitscko he won the title agaisnt the no.3 ranked fighter. since then he has not defended against a top 5 fighter.
     
  8. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Given that The Ring want to (quite rightly) keep their title being won and lost in the ring, how can they have mandatories? Its not ideal but its the best we;ve got at the moment.
     
  9. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    In my opinion thats not the most important thing about a boxing championship.i feel its more important to have the best fighter in the division as the champion.

    theres no reason why they couldn't add some quality control. as i have suggested, every other fight against a top 10 contender, 1 fight a year against a top 5 fighter.

    We could be in a position this time next year where Sergio Martinez has defended his Ring title 3 times.

    vs Dzinziruk coming up from 154lbs
    vs Andy Lee
    vs Miguel Cotto at 155lbs catch weight

    in the mean time Gennaday Golovkin could have knocked out Sturm, Pirog and Sylvester. At which point who is the number 1???
     
  10. nip102

    nip102 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i highly doubt gg gets near sturm anytime this year
     
  11. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    i wasn't saying that will happen its just an example of what could happen.

    If David Haye knocked out Vitali Klitsko in 2 rounds, and Wladamir Klitscko won a robbery a SD against Adameck, who Haye then beats in 3 rounds Wlad Klitscko would still be the Champion??

    You see the problem?
     
  12. nip102

    nip102 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    these are all hypothetical scenarios the only example that follows your thinking is the casa/diaz saga where diaz was number 1 everyone but casa the champ was reluctant to fight him.eventually casa lost to marquez who fought diaz
     
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    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    theres plenty of other examples. How did Roy Jones Jnr win the ring title at light heavy??
     
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    Joe.Boxer Chinchecker Full Member

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    True.

    False.
     
  15. Matt Ldn

    Matt Ldn Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think all the arguements and discussion following the OP show you why the Ring magazine title will never be more than it is atm. I think its important as its a widely regarded FAN title and i believe to certian fighters and people its more valuable than any of the ABC straps. However, it is all that it can be, an often more realistic interpretation of the best fighters in boxing atm but to become more than a gimmick it would lose everything it has atm