Why is Fury scared of AJ and Usyk, but not Wilder?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by GotchaHat, Mar 22, 2023.

  1. GotchaHat

    GotchaHat Active Member Full Member

    Jun 7, 2021
    Fury ducked AJ and now Usyk, yet will fight Wilder 100 times. What boxing qualities does AJ and Usyk possess to scare off Fury?
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  2. Guerra

    Guerra Active Member Full Member

    May 23, 2020
    They can box and pose more if a threat. I think he is less scared of AJ but AJ's stick declined badly in years putting him in the high risk, low reward category.

    Usyk he fears. Cause he struggled with Cunningham and knows boxing. He knows there is a good chance he gets schooled like Hamed vs Barrera and then all the legendary h2h atg fantasy gypsy king stuff dissapears and his ego shatters in similair fashion.

    Wilder is a guy who cant box with a huge huge right hand. Thats medium risk, high reward and he needed to get back in the mix after his comeback.
  3. Gomo

    Gomo Active Member Full Member

    Apr 1, 2018
    Usyk can embarrass him in a boxing sense. Make him look a bit silly and outpoint him. Humiliate him.

    AJ has decent fundamentals and can put a few shots together which could potentially lead to a stoppage.
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  4. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 29, 2005

    Fury sees in Usyk a skill level and ring intelligence that NOone at heavy or Cruiser has

    Usyk is a rare example of honed, effective, world-class skill

    and regardless of his mouthing, fury doubts he can deal with Usyk
  5. JDub

    JDub Active Member Full Member

    Dec 8, 2018
    Basically this, at the time he thought Wilder was less of a risk than Joshua and Usyk was still fighting at CW. The "draw" in the first fight essentially then tied him to Wilder for 2 more fights.
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  6. 11player

    11player Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 19, 2007
    Wilder is quite limited technically, really poor skills.

    Fury knew he could manage that.
  7. Goran_

    Goran_ Active Member Full Member

    Sep 27, 2018
    He ain't scared of Joshua ffs.. Joshua was lucky he wasn't KOd by shot Wlad & Whyte let alone getting shadow realmed by dough boy Ruiz.. but I will say this for Joshua he doesn't duck anyone.. Furys obviously swerving Usyk tho thats obvious
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  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 25, 2014
    Fury isn't afraid of Joshua. He was very excited to unify with Joshua when Eddie Hearn got a big promise for huge money from the UAE. But Deontay Wilder had a contract, and an arbitrator, and the judge ruled Fury had to honor his contract and fight Wilder again.

    Also, Fury isn't afraid of Usyk. Fury was very excited when he thought he was going to get the biggest purse (similar to the proposed Joshua unification) of his career fighting Usyk in the UAE. But those folks didn't want to pay what Fury wanted. Once that happened, it was a long shot that the fight would ever be signed.

    Everyone involved knows there are limited resources in the UK PPV world. They can pay one fighter huge money, but not both in the same fight. And neither side was getting the money they envisioned they'd get from the biggest unification in an era. Despite that, their business people had all their meetings. Did all the work they were supposed to do. But, the botton line was this fight just wasn't going to be financially what ANY of them wanted it to be. And the negotiators were representing two very unhappy people who were going through the motions, arguing, demanding this be added and that be added, waiting for the other to leave first. It had become miserable.

    Long story short, both Fury and Usyk wanted huge money for this final unification. Once that wasn't going to happen, it was just a long, drawn out pissing match until one or both decided to walk away. But, if the Saudis come back and offer them a huge fortune to fight later this year ... I'm sure they'll be very happy to sign and fight each other.

    That's the way it looked to me, anyway.
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  9. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jan 13, 2021
    Nobody is afraid of Joshua. Thats the goofiest shi I've heard all week. The bodybuilder is the weakest unified champion in the history of the sport

    Fury isn't afraid of Usyk either, it's just money stuff, but even if he was somewhat afraid, he's not so much afraid morso just looking to age him out
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  10. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Nov 27, 2010
    Usyk can make a mockery out of him with his boxing skills. Wilder is easy to hit and at this point in time probably shot.
  11. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Member Full Member

    Jun 4, 2022
    Because Wilder can't outbox him.

    Usyk if it went 12 could easily win on points.

    AJ I don't think he is scared of, its just never happened.
  12. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Active Member Full Member

    Oct 9, 2022
    I think the premise is bogus.

    Fury wanted 50-50 from the Joshua fight but Hearn flatly refused and wanted to have Fury sign the standard one-way rematchroom clause.

    That was in addition to Joshua's usual assortment of dodgy judges and a bodyguard referee, which Wilder also had. But team Wilder was good with 50-50, there wasn't a one-way rematch clause and beating Joshua's primary rival would take the play away from Joshua, while boosting Fury's status and getting him 50-50 in the Joshua fight.

    Things didn't quite go according to plan as Fury was denied with a controversial draw, so a rematch was on the agenda. But Fury felt he needed more comeback fights, having not had good enough preparation for Wilder 1 (within 6 months of the Seferi comeback exhibition).

    Next thing you know Joshua's been dropped four times and made to quit by 25/1 underdog late sub Andy Ruiz in one of the biggest upsets in boxing history, requiring Joshua to rematch him. Joshua sank to the 3rd/4th spot in the division, behind Fury and Wilder.

    Joshua and Fury beat Ruiz and Wilder respectively in rematches around the same time, potentially clearing the path to undisputed. Joshua won by poking an even more obese pig with a stick for 12, whereas Fury demolished Wilder in one of the great heavyweight performances, finally in 2020 getting him 50-50 terms with Joshua. At this point Fury had become a very clear favourite to beat Joshua.

    Covid stuck soon after and the boxing world largely went into shutdown. Joshua defended against Pulev in late 2020 and to cut a long story short it looked as though Fury and Joshua would fight in the summer of 2021, before an arbitrator determined that Fury had to honour his prior contract to fight Wilder for a third time (Wilder had gone dark for well over a year, ever since being demolished in the Fury rematch). This scuppered the Fury-Joshua fight for the time being and Joshua was forced to fight his first seriously dangerous mandatory: Usyk.

    Joshua lost to Usyk via P4P schooling which resulted in yet another rematch, almost exactly a year later in August 2022. Joshua lost again and has been out of the ring ever since, scheduled to return in April 2023 in a confidence-builder against Jermaine Franklin.

    Fury beat Wilder for a third time in a wild brawl (regarded by many as one of the greatest ever heavyweight fights, concluding a historic trilogy) and went on to defend against WBC mandatory and Joshua's 3rd best win Whyte about 6 months later, who Fury schooled and one-punch KO'd in 6 rounds.

    Fury made an offer of 60-40 to fight Joshua in December, who had 12/13 weeks to prepare (for an opponent that Joshua's team had been studying for years). But Joshua's promoter and trainer both opposed the Fury fight at that time (Joshua is 0-2 in his last 2, 2-3 in his last 5), so it fell through:

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    Usyk has only been a factor since winning the Joshua rematch toward the back end of last year and he couldn't fight Fury in December by his own admission. Their first round of negotiations seems to have failed due to haggling over splits and rematch clauses, so both will likely fight contenders before resuming negotiations in the summer (provided they don't lose in the meantime as Joshua and Wilder did).
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  13. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Active Member Full Member

    Sep 30, 2019
    He's not. A court order is the only reason he wasn't the one that beat AJ in 2021. Usyk is the only one that could beat him. Though if you keep giving a puncher like Wilder chances, who knows.
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  14. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 21, 2017
  15. Tombarry007

    Tombarry007 New Member banned Full Member

    Feb 4, 2023
    Because wilder is complete trash and useless
    Belly shat his pants with Uysk. Uysk is his boss, john fury should suck uysks dick to say sorry for raising such a coward
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