Why is Martinez too big for Pac?

Cheato is a career WW, martinez is a career JMW, pac is already stretching it against cheato so it doenst take a genius to work the rest out

 

i say he stops fighting above 147 and discard the paper title. 140 or 147 is his proper weight.

 

Martinez is also big for Floyd and Cotto, and these two guys are bigger than Pac

 

Because Margarito can make 150 he's been a welter most of his career. Sergio can't.

 

Werent alot of you *******s comparing Pacquiao to Henry Armstrong or putting him in his league???? Armstrong fought a middleweight to a draw and most say that he won...So now you're telling me he cant fight Maravilla at 154??

 

Why should he have to? Does anybody say to any other p4p fighter in the last twenty years, he won ONE fight at this weight, ONE fight at this one, wth, lets get his next fight against the lineal champion at a fight above even that. It will be like three weight classes in four fights. No one else is expected to do this, because Sergio is now the middleweight title holder, not just another jr middleweight, (who would be too big for pac anyway). It is not fair to pac after he has taken so many challenges to keep having to do this. He needs to put his foot down. After he beats Sergio what do you want? Arthur abraham at 160? When does this nonsense stop? Did Armstrong start at 106 pounds?

 

i see what you re saying about heavies fighting bigger men, but its been proved that as weight rises- the difference between the, the effective difference, becomes smaller and smaller, for example take a 160 pound guy fighting a 130 pound guy- and the size and strength advantage is tremendous, they dont scale relatively up for a 320 pound guy fighting a 260 pound guy, if you know what i mean. its been shown that a 5'10 inch man who weighs 200 pounds can knock out anybody- which is why it is the minimum for a special ops marine.

its why in the smaller divisions , there are divisions every 5 pounds- whereas , as you get bigger, the divisions become further and further apart, up to 15 pounds. when you double a man in weight- you dont double his strength- and so therefore saying that haye is so much smaller than valuev- dosent hold the same significance as a man who is 160 over a 140 pounder. its hard to reconcile by physical logic- but its true- its the way human abilities plateu and reduce as they get bigger.

so mannys stretch of beating guys from 122 to 150- 30 pounds or so- is more significant than a heavyweight beating guys who weigh from 220 to 250.

 

It's both.

Martinez is very skilful AND will be outweighing PAC by 20lbs on fight night. But it's more so the size. You get a guy with the skills of Martinez put him in a 5'7 frame and weighing in at 155-160 on fightnight I have no doubt PAC would take the fight.

 

Because Martinez is to good for Pac. Marg size wan't really a factor because Marg has know real boxing ability to handle Pac.

 

If Armstrong started at 106lbs then you have a point. Or, if Armstrong won a belt at 112lbs then went on to fight MWs, then you have a point.

 

Margarito can make 150.

Martinez, not Dibella, said he can't make anything lower than 156.

That's around 6 lbs more of muscle he can't dehydrate without physically taxing himself to death than Margarito. Right now, he's the bigger man than Margarito. Isn't that obvious?

Pacquiao already saw the limits of fighting bigger men when he faced Margarito outweighing him by 17 lbs. They hit very, very hard.

Now you're asking him to fight the middleweight champion?

The fact that you're even asking him to fight the middleweight champion is a compliment to Pacquiao, because it seems none of you think any 154 pounder can actually beat Pacquiao so you just go straight to 160 lbs for the next best thing.

 

Martinez himself has said that he wouldn't go under 154 and that Pac wouldn't go above the 140s.

 

Hes no bigger than Margarito

Difference is he actually stands a chance of winning



Annoying thing for a boxing neutral is the most talented best is continually matched up against utterly inferior competition

 

the weight and size isn't the problem, it's the fact that Martinez is coming off of a huge win....i think Mayweather will fight him because his last to fights, both of his opponents were coming off of huge KO wins