Why is neither Klitschko in Ring magazines p4p list?

Did I say that? I don't recall me ever stating that. I said IF the Klits were in the lower divisions with the skill sets that PRESENTLY have they'd get embarrassed.

Of course with the dedication and commitment to their sport they'd elevate their game to meet what is necessary to be operating at a high level in their weight class. How good would they be? I don't know.....all I'm saying is that the Klits are NOT in the P4P b/c they are in the HW division where power, size and strength are the main attributes that win fights. Skills are pretty much secondary.

The P4P list shows fighters who are able to fight in higher or lower weight classes outside their comfort zone and due to their ELITE skills or ELITE talent they are able to over come odds that would see the average pro unable to compete outside their own divsion.

Regarding the Klits style of being robot like and such has nothing to do with Skills. They definitly have skills but it's not on the level of guys in the lower weight classes and if you don't think so you don't know the sport.

 

Neither moved up to heavyweight from a lower weight. They are just giants. They dont deserve a p4p ranking because they aren't skillful boxers, they are just big guys.

 

LOL! Joe C was on the list before retiring you fool. Race has nothing to do witht he P4P ranking. You clown!:yep

 

Unless you can say either of them are among the top 10 most skillful boxers in the world, this is ridiculous.

 

Unless you can say Wlad would dominate like this at any weight, he doesn't deserve to be listed among the p4p. To be honest hes not even as good of a boxer as Kelly Pavlik and Kelly Pavlik isn't on the list. Wlad would get knocked out by Sergio Martinez, Paul Williams etc, and at the lower weights he'd probably be knocked out by Julio Caesar Chavez Jr.

The only reason hes dominant is because of his weight in pounds and his height.

 

the ring rankings suck. esb rankings are the best

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They may be hesitant to rank HWs on there, especially when they're bigger than most opponents, but they still do it sometimes. Lennox Lewis was bigger than damn near everyone he faced and he was ranked on the p4p lists. Same with Riddick Bowe. The Klitschkos are usually taller and heavier than their opponents, there are some exceptions (more so with weight), but the division is poor in talent.

Wladimir has definitely done more in his division though, than other guys in their divisions, who've recently been ranked in the top 10.

 

Young Klitschko should be, at least.

 

The mechanics of a man fighting at 240 compared to 160 are completely different. How often do you see a heavyweight zipping about the ring like Manny Pacquaio throwing punches with his handspeed? Never, because its a completely unrealistic expectation.

Wlad Klitschko relative to his weight class has; fast hands, brilliant footwork, ATG power in both hands, a great defence, good stamina, great technical skills, an ATG jab, experience fighting at a top level for a decade, and record of 54-3 despite an average chin

Despite all of this, people still exclude him from p4p lists because they imagine a scaled down version of a 240lb man fighting exactly the same in the lower weight divisions.

No one is trying to say 'well Wlad punches harder than everyone else on that p4p list so he should be on it', he belongs on the list because of his accomplishments and skills as a heavyweight

 

Like I said, #8, #9, and #10 can easily be replaced. But I considered Wladimir Klitschko because he's on a winning streak for a long time, and he hasn't come close to losing in any of them. I took into account record and ability. Kelly Pavlik just lost, even though he may be more skillful than Wladimir. Sergio Martinez on record lost to Paul Williams and drew to Kermit Cintron, even though he should have won both fights. I was seriously considering Sergio Martinez to be in my top 10 pfp list, but I had to go by the record as it stands. Donaire's best win is against Darchinyan, but that was 3 years ago, although Donaire has remained undefeated. But Donaire's reign as champ I think is shorter than Wladimir.

 

you don't get it do you? atsch have you ever seen a 6'7" move and box like WK?! I'm sure you haven't... those guys are freaking huge and just by sheer size difficultly coordinated... they are not suppose to fight like 6' and under fighters.

 

There has always been hesitance to place HW's in P4P lists, though I believe there should currently be 3 HW's in the top 10 in Wladimir, Haye, and Adamek. Vitali could also make a case to be there.
Instead we still get lists with old men like Hopkins and Mosley and guys like Chad Dawson, who has only beat up on old men lately.

 

some sensible posts here... I agree...it's such a shame those guys don't have any worthy challengers. even those who seems to be, start looking like bums in the ring with them.

 

I'm not sure your argument is getting through...

I'd wish a good definition what exactly goes into p4p rating considerations. But that how it is, lot of gray areas and subjectivity in our sport. It's about time someone clean up the mess before MMA takes over.

 

If you looked at the Ring's Top 10 Heavyweights list, you might not be asking this.