Why is there so much hate for Kessler?

Hmmm... maybe Miranda was just about top ten ranked, if he was it was at the bottom end of the rankings and he is not there now. However, as per previous post about people not knowing Mundine or Andrade, you seem to be confusing marketability and talent. An upper echelon fighter is one of the better fighters, not one of the guys who are wildly exciting or who are marketable. Junior Witter, Clinton Woods are upper echelon in their respective divisions but not marketable. Audley Harrison was marketable but couldn't fight for ****. You see the dfference? Doesn't change the fact that at 168 Miranda has two wins over 20-30 level guys and a vicious KO defeat to a blown up middleweight.

My understanding of the situation is that Kessler withdrew the offer to Miranda on the basis that he was about to get a title shot against Mundine, a higher ranked fighter than Miranda and with a belt on the line. Sounds pretty logical to me. I'm sure you, at some point, have had to take a choice from a number of options career wise. Kessler simply chose the better option for him (admittedly the whole thing went t*ts up when Mundine decided to vacate rather than face him).

 

You didn't say elite fighter though. You said upper echelon super middleweight. Which to me means one of the best fighters in the super middleweight division, and Kessler has beaten three top five fighters and lost to another (who is also top 3 p4p).

Pavlik and Taylor may be good middleweights but neither of them is a proven super middle, so I can't count either as upper echelon until they at least beat a contender at that weight.

By the latter token, Silvio Branco has a win over Glen Johnson who beat Jones and Tarver when they were on the p4p list, is he elite as well? The whole X beat Y beat Z thing just doesn't work in this sport.

And I just don't see this whole Kessler avoiding Miranda thing at all. He had another offer on the table, he took the one which was best for his career, facing a better fighter and a proven super middle (irrespective of the fact that Mundine later backed out on him).

Being star quality is neither here nor there (though I believe Beyer was pretty popular in his own backyard as pavlik is in his). You're either up there or youre not.

 

I joined this forum a couple of months ago, and I'm sure you can tell from the number of posts I've made I am a big of a sad case who is on here all the time. Well, I have NEVER read any remark on Mikkel Kessler from anyone that expresses anything even remotely similar to hate. I'd love the thread-starter to find some of these posts and put them on here so we know what he's talking about, as I think this is a load of BS to be honest.

 

Most people would definitely disagree there. Meeting Mundine for a second time over meeting Miranda was definitely NOT best for his carreer.

I am a fan of Kessler and I couldn't care less if he fought Mundine again. He has beaten him in Mundine's home yeard etc. It would be an utter waste of time.

Miranda on the other hand looked good and it would have been transmitted around the world if they had met. It would not only have been better for his carreer - it would have been far better. And now Mundine even backed out - although that didn;t make a difference. Kessler had absolutely nothing to prove against Mundine and beating Sartison proves nothing. So either way a waste of time.

 

It is perfectly possible for a fighter who has lost to a particular opponent to come back and beat that opponent. It has happened innumerable times in boxing. And even where the guy has no chance, a few good wins in the interim is often enough to make the fans think he has (i.e. Cintron v Margo). Bearing in mind that the title (however paper) was on the line and IMHO you can't blame him for going for that option over a guy who, whilst exciting, was unranked and has been dismantled by the only two decent opponents he's fought.

 

I am a Kessler fan so I dont know what your talking about.

 

He doesn't look that Mexican to me :huh

 

You assuming I like just Mexican fighters? :blood

 

If it was:

1. Very close.
2. Controversial in some other way.
3. Mundine had won, it would be interesting to see what the result would be in Copenhagen.
4. If the fight had been in Copenhagen it would be interesting to see if Mundine would do better in Australia.
5. The first fight was a huge success and fans around the globe wanted more.

None of these are the case.

Kessler won decisively. He did it although Mundine had all the advantages so it is not even posible to give Mundien better circumstances. Noone has any need to see this again - and if Palle thought that he was badly mistaken.

 

Look at Mosley v Forrest, Wright v Mosley, Barrera v Pacquiao etc... None of these were in any way close or controversial and yet rematches took place. Of course there are fights which are similarly clear and yet the loser of the first fight springs the rematch upset, Holyfield-Bowe for one. In any case, the fact remains Mundine was 1. a top five fighter and 2. for a belt. Miranda would have been neither. Some people thought Mundine had improved enough in the interim to have a chance, Kessler would have been able to put that theory to bed.

 

Maybe not only, but the majority of the time you think the sun shines out their ass unless its a massive coincidence.

It's all good fun.

 

Mundine, whetever your estimation of his abilities, had a title and was top five ranked. Whereas Miranda has never beaten a top 50 SMW.

That said, once Mundine took flight, Kessler then tried to make the title fight against Miranda, who was not interested by that stage, after which Kessler turned to Sartison.

However, the only real difference between Sartison and Miranda is that Americans have heard of Miranda.

 

You are talking about Andrade right?

 

The man's right:yep

 

Kessler's salary is paid by the fans. The global fans do not have any need whatsoever to see Kessler and Mundine again. The demand for the first fight was in no way big enough to warrant a rematch.

It was not Barrera v Pacquiao nor Holyfield v Bowe. I find it strange that you cannot see the difference in terms of worldwide demand.

I am sure that a poll on any major forum would show that the fans would not want to waste time on Kessler-Mundine again if they could have gotten Kessler-Miranda. And that would even be the case now (eventhough Miranda's image is not what it was) and even more so if fans were asked at the actual time. I see and know that - why don't you?