Why Mayweather beats Sergio Martinez

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    People should post technical arguments and comments addressing the issue or leave. Talk about whether the fight would happen or other fantasy fights or who you think is overrated elsewhere.
     
  2. ImElvis666

    ImElvis666 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mayweather won't fight him.

    Maravilla will be another boxer who the Mayweather joy boys will say he would have beaten had the fight happened.
     
  3. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Floyd EVER fought Maravilla, I would ban myself from here.

    But guess what, *****s? THAT AIN'T EVER GONNA HAPPEN. HE WILL NEVER FIGHT HIM.
     
  4. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It would be a hell of a fight either at 154 or even at 160 reason the main cause both fighters are athletic and r technically sound. I don't believe Floyd will go that way cause Pacquiao is a good selling event and Pac is surely beatable now. I also believe Floyd would beat Martinez basically cause Martinez would not go for the big punch right away so to see him start going at it, he would have to dictate the pace and control the tempo. Having said that, Martinez never gets going in that fight cause he doesn't push Floyd back with a jab or a lead left right down the pipe consistently but only in spurts whereas Floyd builds his lead and takes control of the fight gradually. What I am saying here is that technically Floyd beats Sergio to the punch and Sergio would have to load up with his punches better early than never like Shane and Zab did... I surely can't see Sergio outboxing Mayweather, as simple as that.
     
  5. Delroc

    Delroc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i swear to god if this fight happens and Martinez is the underdog i'm making serious money
     
  6. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Godd stuff BB and Bogo. I myself am looking to pick Martinez due to his higher output and movement, especially out of the Southpaw stance where his jabs would definitely trouble Floyd regardless of his philly shell or high guard stance.

    Really want this fight badly.
     
  7. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sergio's right hook is a bigger danger to Mayweather than the left hand, which would only be a threat for 4 rounds.
     
  8. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I wouldn't have ever thought Floyd was going to come forward vs Sergio until watching him do it vs Mosley and Ortiz who were both pretty dangerous opponents for Floyd. Also watching the Barker fight helped as well. Floyd will need to be very very careful while doing it and keep his defense tight, but it's possible. He can't give Sergio many opportunities to counter.

    You make an excellent point about Mayweather tending to follow his opponents around, and the Mitchell fight is a good example of this. I believe Floyd is a better pressure fighter now than he was then and much stronger. That version of Floyd probably wouldn't have been able to come forward vs Shane like he did later on. Sergio will be much tougher than both Mitchell and Shane though, so it still could cause trouble, but we'll have to see. I don't think he'll be coming on as hard as he did in that fight either since he'll respect Sergio more than he did Mitchell.

    Also that move Floyd does with the lead right was a maneuver he used to increase the range/power on his cross and to allow him to get close to smother his opponent. I see the point you're making, and I think that has to do with Floyd's age as well. He used to get away with that punch all the time when he was younger, but he'll have to be careful vs Sergio.
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    Also just because he's coming forward doesn't mean he has to lead all the time. He can do it behind his defense and countering Sergio (Floyd should study some Sweet Pea to prepare :yep)

    Everything you said will come into play though. Floyd needs to be careful for Sergio straight left to the body as well. I've seen him get hit with that punch against almost every southpaw he's faced. It isn't an easy fight for either guy.

    Good post :good
     
  9. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    you guys are useless :hi:
     
  10. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    yeah definitely. The counter Floyd is most vulnerable to is the right hook especially over his left hook since he throws it with his elbow down and kinda slaps with it.
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    I've actually noticed though, that in the Ortiz and Cotto fight, Mayweather actually seemed to fix that a little and is throwing the hook more parallel to the ground, but he still can get lazy.
     
  11. prelude

    prelude Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're underrating Floyd to much in fantasy fight...you shouldn't be a ***** because you're a disgrace to Floyd :lol:. Floyd could beat the like of a prime Tyson, why would he want to beat Martinez :lol:.
     
  12. Lance_Uppercut

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    That's not a right hook coming from Marquez, that's just a slightly looping straight right. He's right handed (unless he was fighting in the SP stance at that time). Good thread though!
     
  13. vargasfan1985

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    Why, cause we're right?

    Do you really think Floyd will fight Maravilla when he won't fight Pac? Maravilla offered an 80-20 split with testing.

    Bye ***** ******:hi:
     
  14. PityTheFool

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    Excellent thread with some superb posts.
    Can't help thinking Bogo's right about Floyd not coming forward though.I think he'd walk right into trouble going down that road,whereas I think standing off would allow him to pick off Sergio's weird head positioning once he found his rhythm.
    Worth bearing in mind that it's 154 Floyd though,and that's a totally different fighter when trying to predict the outcome of a Floyd fight,and he's not as mobile on his feet,so they're coming together in the centre much more than in lighter Floyd fights.
    I agree with bball that a high guard may be necessary at times though,and he'll be watching for that right.
    BUT..
    Here's why I think Martinez puts up a good show;He has an excellent grasp of distance,and too many people are caught up in the Oscar fight as the only way to beat Floyd.For me,the trick would be not to smother him off the jab,but to step away after the jab and in particular,the clinch and pick your shots on the way out.
    It's Martinez' ability to step back and away that makes this fascinating for me.I reckon Floyd can see most combinations coming,and Sergio's ability to be very unorthodox is what gives him a fighting chance here.
    Floyd will engage a lot more than he used to,but I still think he has to go back to the old school in this fight because coming forward all night is exactly what Sergio would want.
    I just don't buy into this smothering stuff.It'll take a lot more than that to beat Floyd over 12.Who gives a **** if it works for three rounds?
     
  15. southsidegym

    southsidegym Active Member Full Member

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    but that is ONLY due to size put him in Zab Judah body(who is the same size as Floyd) an its a mismatch and everyody would be saying how much of a mismatch this is and how martinez keep his hands to low etc.