Why Ruddock gets more credit for losing to Tyson than Douglas for beating Mike?

The answer is in the question.

He gets more credit from fans of ( rapists ) oops Tyson, purely because he LOST.

Had he won, ( ****** ) Tyson fans would villify the man.

You must understand ( ****** ) oops Tyson fans are NOT boxing fans. They are fans of *** offenders, and such like.

These people do not follow boxing, they follow a personality, an image if you will. Manny Pac is the flavour of the year. Though not a *** offender, he has become the " in thing " of the boxing world, with his fans totally ignoring his whoring, gambling, drug taking, hypocritical lifestyle.

This is not a problem in itself. It is the imbecile fans who listen to the parts the fighters, and their clingon's wan't the public to believe, and then try to spread it like aids, they are the real problem.

 

The onus then is on the OP to explain where these opinions favoring Ruddock are coming from, as the OP clearly does not agree with them either.

 

I believe Douglas would have beat the Tyson of the Ruddock fights.

Ruddock lacked the jab and combinations that Buster Douglas utilized to hold Mike off, all he did was wind up with the uppercut and try to maul.

Both were inconsistent but Douglas was really a better fighter than Ruddock overall. And yet Ruddock does seem to be held in higher esteem on boards such as this one.

 

People forget that run Douglas was on coming in

its like he is characterized by the loss to Tucker, never seen the fight but he takes a lot of heat for it

Tyson which lots of ppl barely give him credit for

and Holyfield where he was fat and got blasted

ppl assume thats all they really need to know about Douglas and thats how Douglas would look in the rematch and thats what "would happen"

not fair at all to Douglas

 

Ruddock was the most over-rated fighter of the 90' s the only thing he did was ko a way past his prime Dokes, he was nothing more than a glorified club fighter, he was blasted out in 1 round against Lewis, and Tommy Morrison beat the hell out of him, if Tyson would have stepped on the gas more in that 2nd fight Ruddock would have been outta there in 6 rounds..

 

Some puzzling responses here. Ruddock 2 was Tyson's worst performance? It showed that the first fight was stopped prematurely? Ruddock was brutalized in that fight, dropped several times, and hospitalized with a broken jaw and several other injuries. Tyson clearly fought better and was more prepared both times against Ruddock than against Douglas. That being said the version of Douglas who fought Tyson was on fire and would have been a hell of proposition for anyone. Douglas always had the skills, and physical tools he just never could pull it together and lacked mental fortitude. That night he pulled it all together and for a brief shining moment he became a complete heavyweight.

 

You're being a little (well, a lot) harsh on Ruddock I feel. It's easy in hindsight to say that ultimately he accomplished little and wasn't much good, but cast your back to around '89 and he was held in pretty high esteem then, both by his peers and by boxing writers.
Simply put, the proof is in the pudding. Nobody wanted a part of the guy.

I agree that all in all he didn't accomplish much, but that is far from the whole story.

 

Tyson had been accused of ducking Ruddock since '89. After the Dokes fight, the commentators were saying, this is why Tyson didnt want nothing to do with Ruddock.

At that time, Tyson was coming off a brutal KO loss, Holyfield was lightly regard, Foreman was though of as a bit of a joke, hence why Ruddock was slightly highly regarded. He was seen as a bit of an heir apparent

 

As evidenced by the 42 - 1 odds

 

I stand by that. It was a fun brawl and all, great fight to watch but Tyson was sloppy as hell in this. He walked straight into telegraphed body shots from the taller man and was looking lethargic after two rounds. Tyson let a guy with no jab, measure him with bombs repeatedly, look at Round 3 where Mike is just letting Ruddock tee off with wild swings. Tyson hurt Ruddock several times but continuously smothered himself while loading up with bombs and was unable to finish a rubber legged opponent off.

And yes, Mike landed some good body punches but only one at a time sporadically, when Ruddock was open all night. Mike wasted lots of energy winding up with right hands over the top and trying to wrestle and pull Ruddocks' guard down physically.


Commentary highlights:

"Mike not moving his head...like in the past. Standing straight up with Ruddock."

"Tyson just loading up with the right."

"Mike just standing there, taking punches."


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8PX3edZdZI[/url]

 

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8z0xoMze8U[/url]

Now look at Tyson's movement here in the early rounds against Douglas, he's slipping lots of jabs and combinations. We all know his corner was **** and he didn't take the fight seriously, but I stand by he was sharper here than against Ruddock. And Douglas is fighting a much better fight than Ruddock. Tyson actually still feinting at this point and looking for his jab as well.

 

I always say that Douglas win over Tyson is 1 of the most underrated of all time and Douglas too very underrated because of his very short period dedication. Douglas completely neutralised Tyson with his jab, movement, counters and uppercut inside. It wasn't the best version of Tyson, not the sharpest or a version in shape but it's a great win.

Rudduck certainly faced a better Tyson and he landed some brutal bombs and showed allot of heart staying in the fight. I give him a heap of credit for not giving up and for the fact he hurt Tyson.

 

But where's the countering that Tyson used so well, even against Ruddock? If I recall all the Ruddock knockdowns were from counterpunches. You don't see any of that here against Douglas, and Tyson was given many opportunities to do so.

Sharper against Douglas? Nah. Noway.

 

Tyson fought Ruddock the way he did to prove a point about his chin, ability to take punishment, and willingness to fight. He was very vocal about this before and after both fights.

 

I'm not sure what makes you say this.

Ruddock was standing in front of Tyson, throwing wide uppercuts and hooks to a much shorter man's body from the outside. Of course he got countered more.

Douglas was utilizing lateral movement, constantly pumping a stiff jab, mixing in right hand leads, and throwing combinations that kept Tyson out of position to counter. Despite Mike bobbing and weaving well enough, the opportunties weren't there.

Remember, the one time Douglas got Ruddock level reckless and left himself open he got dropped by a counter uppercut.