Why was Marciano so successful?

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Correct. He was a very skilled brute!
     
  2. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Can you please tell me more about fighters/athletes being in their physical prime pushing 40?
     
  3. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nice job Big Red :good
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    It depends on ho a career pan's out and when a fighter has to make that step up to an elite level.

    Moore, Hopkins, Walcott, Foster (I think) all received championship fights at an advanced age and spent their primes being older than other fighters.

    I'm sure there's a lot more out there as well, I seem to recall Rocky Kansas was another old champion, obviously I'm not gonna look all that deeply at specific numbers.

    In terms of Jersey Joe it seems clear to me his prime years ran from 44 to 52. During this time he was beaten 9 times.

    He had the style to frustrate certain fighters but he lacked consistency. He also shared an era with Louis, Charles and Marciano which is unfortunate for him that he had 3 truly elite fighters around during his time. Maybe without those 3 he'd have been a champ sooner and for longer although I imagine we still see him lose to people we might not predict.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Any suggestion that he had GOOD balance is a complete fallacy.
     
  6. mcvey

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    Slipping is NOT falling flat becuase you missed a punch.

    Lewis had average foot work at best and that's being kind ,imo.
     
  7. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Negative. There were not in the physical prime. There is positively no way they had the same speed.. reflexes.. stamina at almost 40 that they did when they were 27. This has been conclusively shown and is an accepted fact. You're mistaking them improving mentally, and improving skillset with prime. That hasn't been one person that has ever lived that was more physically prime at 40 than they were at 27. Not one.

    Which is again what makes JJ career so remarkable. That he was still able to do all that he did while his physical attributes had diminished. When he was physically in his prime he had no management.. and a part time fighter. He lost the best physical years of his life being unprepared. Those are just the facts.

    Further, it's not unfortunate that he was around during their time. He likely beat Louis the first time around... and beat Charles 2 times, once to win the HWT championship of the world. He also put up a great fight against Marciano and was decisively winning that fight before the KO in the 13 round. Could he come along at a better time, sure, but I think he did just fine (great even) considering he was past his physical prime.
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    Ok we might define prime differently.

    Which Walcott do you think was harder to beat, the 27 year old or the 39 year old?

    Well the reality is each of those 3 beat him twice so that's 6 losses against 3 men. He has 2 wins over Charles, 1 from a career defining punch he never again replicated and 1 from a fight most felt he lost. Without those 3 men around he has a better shot at greatness imo. But yes because of those 3 we got to see his limitations.
     
  9. Bummy Davis

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    looking forward to it:good
     
  10. choklab

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    A physical prime and a career prime are two different things. They don't always come together.

    Some fighters have a dream career where match making allows for the career and physical prime to take off at the same time.

    Other fighters find themselves treading water too long but providing they have not been overstretched when the career eventually takes off experience can compensate.

    Physical prime in itself is only any use within a fully developed fighter.

    When they don't come together "career Prime" always trumps "physical prime".
     
  11. reznick

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    I may be overhyping it just a little :D


    But what will make my video unique, is that you will see the details. You will clearly see punches and arm movement inside the clinch. The parrys, the slips, the power, etc.
     
  12. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    couldn't disagree more with this. Your physical prime absolutely the most important thing for any fighter or athlete. Think for a second, almost every single variable in the sport relies on your physical attributes. Speed, Reflex, timing, stamina, movement etc etc. There are no more important factors in boxing they your physical tools. You can be the smartest boxer in the world, if your physical stats are subpar you're not going to beat the best. Period, end of story. Boxing is like 90% physical attributes, and the rest would be mental. Thus if one fighter only got more experience and training when he was already past his physical prime, that can never ever be his prime. Walcott missed out on the best physical prime years of his career. Yes, it's remarkable he was able to do what he did pushing 40, but that by no means he was prime. Sure, that is when he finally got support and management and was a full time fighter. That doesn't make him prime.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    The fine details are what makes your videos unique. The focus in HD detail is quality.

    So thanks.
     
  14. KuRuPT

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  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    He's gonna do a Rocky HL videos