Why was Ricky Hatton so popular?

You've just torn apart another of Hatton's victims there. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt that Urango is looking vaguely decent.

Give over, Malignaggi wouldn't beat Torres in a month of sundays. How the hell is a guy that only throws a jab going to beat a relentless pressure fighter with power. It's a stylistic certainty unless Malignaggi got back to the form of a few years ago when he had two hands.

 

Malignaggi or Witter hmm,i'll take Paulie thanks...and the Maussa finish was a classic KO:rasta

Maussa was good enough for Cotto and Maussa banjoed Vivian Harris in 7 two years earlier than Witter did it ... so that takes the shine of Witters greatest recent win...

 

It's a significant point in Witter's career maybe, because Hatton would have been by FAR the biggest payday and the biggest attention he ever got (in addition to being only the second prime, world class opponent he faced after Judah). In terms of Hatton, nobody will remember who the fcuk Witter was in ten years time when they're remembering his battles with Tszyu, Castillo, Mayweather and Pac, plus successful trips to the States vs Urango, Malignaggi etc...

This is a classic example of if you repeat something over enough times, some idiot will start to believe it. How is Witter going to be part of "the fight Britain wanted", only a few people actually know who he is. Bottom line, while Hatton went to Vegas for the fights above, Witter will be remembered for his stirring wars with Lucky Sambo and Fred Kinuthia

If Witter wanted the fight, rather than banging on to the media in an attempt to raise his profile, he should have put a hard, written offer in. He never did. Why? Because the who talk about Hatton was simply an attempt to try and make his own name. Even the fighters Hatton defended the WBU belt against were a thousand times better than the dross Witter was facing. Even worse, he's a hypocrite. "Lazcano isn't a good comeback opponent"... er yeah Junior but Victor Hugo Castro is?

Bottom line, when these two are remembered, one will be for having the guts to step outside his comfort zone and his homeland and face the absolute elite abroad. The other will be for bleating on about how unfair it is that he hasn't got an opportunity, whilst fighting nobodies in his home town and never havin the guts to step up or travel to face a better class of opponent.

 

Well bearing in mind I'm pretty sure you picked him over Hatton (or at least were in two minds about it), maybe best answering your own question?

I stand by my statement that Malignaggi boxes the ears off him. Torres is one-dimensional and crude, he was getting the ears boxed off him by Holt first time around and struggled mightily with Mike Arnoutis. A fighter who can move around and give him angles will give him fits and that's what Malignaggi would do. True he struggles with relentless swarmers who will keep the pressure on him (Hatton and to an extent Ngoudjo), but Torres isn't like that he's more of a stalker who will try and take a guy out with every shot. A fighter with good fundamentals, speed, movement and the kind of chin that can withstand a few hard shots will make him look foolish.

 

[quote="TKO";4080733]It's a significant point in Witter's career maybe, because Hatton would have been by FAR the biggest payday and the biggest attention he ever got (in addition to being only the second prime, world class opponent he faced after Judah). In terms of Hatton, nobody will remember who the fcuk Witter was in ten years time when they're remembering his battles with Tszyu, Castillo, Mayweather and Pac, plus successful trips to the States vs Urango, Malignaggi etc...

This is a classic example of if you repeat something over enough times, some idiot will start to believe it. How is Witter going to be part of "the fight Britain wanted", only a few people actually know who he is. Bottom line, while Hatton went to Vegas for the fights above, Witter will be remembered for his stirring wars with Lucky Sambo and Fred Kinuthia

If Witter wanted the fight, rather than banging on to the media in an attempt to raise his profile, he should have put a hard, written offer in. He never did. Why? Because the who talk about Hatton was simply an attempt to try and make his own name. Even the fighters Hatton defended the WBU belt against were a thousand times better than the dross Witter was facing. Even worse, he's a hypocrite. "Lazcano isn't a good comeback opponent"... er yeah Junior but Victor Hugo Castro is?

Bottom line, when these two are remembered, one will be for having the guts to step outside his comfort zone and his homeland and face the absolute elite abroad. The other will be for bleating on about how unfair it is that he hasn't got an opportunity, whilst fighting nobodies in his home town and never havin the guts to step up or travel to face a better class of opponent.[/quote]

what a joke.

It's common knowledge Hatton ducked Witter for years.
I wonder how their respective carrers might have gone, had it not been for the fact that Warren saw the goldmine he had with Wicky and the manipulated fanbase, while Witter was the expendable guy he threw to the wolves at an early stage of his career. This argument has been done to death.
Witter was calling Wicky out for years, but heroic Wicky was busy 'taking on the elite abroad', such as Stephen Smith and Carlos Vilches at the MEN, Ray Oliverira at the EXCEL, Maussa in Sheffield etc etc etc etc

 

[QUOTE="TKO";4080762]Well bearing in mind I'm pretty sure you picked him over Hatton (or at least were in two minds about it), maybe best answering your own question?

I stand by my statement that Malignaggi boxes the ears off him. Torres is one-dimensional and crude, he was getting the ears boxed off him by Holt first time around and struggled mightily with Mike Arnoutis. A fighter who can move around and give him angles will give him fits and that's what Malignaggi would do. True he struggles with relentless swarmers who will keep the pressure on him (Hatton and to an extent Ngoudjo), but Torres isn't like that he's more of a stalker who will try and take a guy out with every shot. A fighter with good fundamentals, speed, movement and the kind of chin that can withstand a few hard shots will make him look foolish.[/QUOTE]
I didn't pick him over Hatton I'm afraid, that was somebody else.

The Malignaggi that was relatively impressive a few years ago and beat N'dou easily is not the Malignaggi of today. All Malignaggi can do today is get his ass whipped. He might have "beat" Ngoudjo, but I think Ngoudjo was robbed and the only guy getting hurt put on him was Malignaggi like in round 7 when he was nearly knocked out. Then he goes life and death with a guy he shutout a few years ago. He gets brutalized by Hatton.

Man, Malignaggi ain't even a factor anymore. You are not beating anybody by circling around the ring throwing pitty pat jabs unless you have some serious elusiveness of Whitaker proportions. It ain't happening, this ain't ballet, the other guy is going all out to hurt you and you have nothing to discourage him. He's going to get whooped seriously if he continues in this sport with one hand after the beatings Cotto, Hatton and to a less extent Ngoudjo and N'dou second time around put on him.

 

So's your IQ but do I complain? Haven't you got a tree to go and talk to? You have just made the same points I rubbished in my last post. "It's common knowledge Hatton ducked Witter for years". Shows that if you repeat the same pile of bollocks long enough some idiot will start to believe it, helped if they have their own agenda which it suits. Witter was "calling him out for years"? Well don't waste your time talking to the press in a futile attempt to make your own name. If you seriously want the fight, put an offer in writing.

You claim Witter was "the expendable guy he threw to the wolves". You could just easily make the case that Witter has had a charmed life. Gifted a title shot which he had done NOTHING to deserve on home soil against a younger champion which wasted by not even trying to fight. Takes on a five year bum of the month tour with only two decent opponents (Ndou and Kotelnik, both beaten by controversial decision) then gets gifted another shot on home soil against a fight who had lost three of his last 5 and got KO'd by a nobody next time out.

Witter's opposition during that period was FAR worse than Hatton's which contained a good number of 10-20 level guys and one genuine top ten fighter in Tackie. The opportunity was there for him to make his name with his achievements in the ring rather than incessant blabbing on about a guy he was plain jealous of. He never took it, preferring to stay in his comfort zone and fight foor paper belts against nobodies and never-wases.

When Hatton retires, people will reflect on his multiple world titles, p4p rating and mega fights/mega events in Manchester and Vegas. When Witter retires, a few people might think "oh yeah, he's that irritating tool who was forever banging on about Hatton without doing anything about it".

 

Your view and you're entitled to it, I don't agree but this is going nowhere.

 

I think he's popular fo a number of reasons

1) North West people really support their own. He's a City fan but anyone who thinks all the people in the MEN were City is a ****ing fool.

Betty claiming he cynically tapped into City's fanbase - you sir are a ****ing idiot. His dad played for them.

2) Boxing was on a huge upturn in the region when Hatton came through. Gomez, Farnell and the like had started the ball rolling. Hatton took this to a new level.

3) As much as the cry babies don't like it, he is a normal, working class kid from a normal family who people identify with. He's not now, he's worth a stack of money, he's experienced things most people never will. But he was.

4) He is an exciting high energy fighter. And he is a world class fighter.

 

He's not exciting. Don't present that as fact, many of us find "hook and hold" Hatton to be a bore.

 

Witter set himself back years with that fight. People routinely say he wasn't ready. You can't have your cake and eat it.

I wouldn't class Kostya in 04 as a tomato can either. Nor Philips, Tackie, Magee, Thaxton, Oliviera. They were perfectly good opponents leading up to his first genuine title tilt. Witter has barely got names like these on his CV to this day.

Give it up Flint, it's bull****.

 

He's got a decent KO record and few fighters have as many body shot stoppages.

The excitement factor has waned as the comp has improved but he was already hugely popular by then.


Oh and it's a co-incidence that the same people bleating about his style also take issue with his mums choice of frock etc etc etc

Pathetic really

 

His style when it mattered was a bore, IMO. There is a place for grown men to hold each other regularly and thats the WWE. He should take Ruiz with him.

 

Because he drinks beers and cracks jokes.