Whyte/Povetkin official

Yup, I'd back Hrgovic to beat Parker right now. I never said Parker was a bum either so don't put words in my mouth I just don't think he's more than a fringe contender.

Oh, and who takes Boxrec rankings seriously. As your former boss/mate Frank Warren would say, do me a favour.

 

I'm not saying they're to be taken as gospel; they're indicative of ranking though. Anyway, this is now so boring even I'm giving up.

 

Boxrec rankings are rubbish. Don't know why you would reference them in the first place. Weak argument.

 

Fair play, I stand corrected. I got mixed up because I was sure Whyte said those things about Usyk before he realised the PPV numbers generated... and I think those got released some time after the fight? Not sure... but that was my point.... Whyte didnt think Usyk could generate big numbers

 

lol I just don;t get your angle.... how are you comparing resumes? Whats your criteria? Parker is a top ten, former champ, beat Ruiz... young... prime.. took AJ the distance without getting stopped... who do you class above Parker... on Fury's and Wilders resume? Where would Park rank in there?

Surely above stiverne, breazeale... wallin... seferi... schwarz... pianeta...

How about Ortiz?

 

Wilder has a dreadful resume. Parker would in all probability be his genuinely best win. I'm convinced if Ortiz was an orthodox non-Cuban nobody would think twice about him, but he somehow carries that Cuban mystique despite beating nobody better than Jennings or a five hundred year old Tony Thompson.

You get a good resume by cleaning out a division. Nobody is saying Tua, Golota, Grant, Briggs, Rahman, McCall, Bruno, Botha and so on were all time greats, but they were all top ten guys and Lewis beat them all which is why, along with his standout fights like Holyfield and Tyson, considered an absolutely all time great. Wilder's been a champion for five years so he could easily have beaten Joshua, Whyte, Parker, Povetkin, Pulev and so on. But he beat none of them bar Ortiz.

 

But Rivas could? Usyks UK debut sold more that Whyte v Chisora 2 and he knew that.

 

Parker beating Ruiz and rightfully (i had Parker winning by 2 points) and beating Takam ( I had Parker winning 8-4) is better resume than Wilder's with only notable wins being against Ortiz ( who himself has only beat Jennings 5 years ago) . Like wise of course Whyte resume of beating Parker, Rivas (same best win as Ortiz) and Chisora twice is superior resume Wilders.

 

Where has this Dillian Whytes a good guy BS come from?

The guy used to (And only stopped really after the Brown fight when Eddie told him PPV was on the horizon and he needs to curb it) threaten any boxer at a press conference by telling them him and his boys would be paying a visit

Chisora,Lewison
and Brown were three notable ones where the thug came out before being caged by PPV dollars and a new smiley exterior

Dont blame him but he is a thug ,end of

Anyway he wins this by the 9th if he comes in shape but then what?

 

The reason Joshua is considered in high regard is that he appears to be the only person attempting to do what Tyson did in the 80's and Lewis in the 90's and by that I mean consistently taking on top ten opponents and challenging himself. Fury at least has gone after two big names but Wilder's approach to his career has been absolutely pathetic. If people are suggesting they can't see any difference between Parker, Pulev, Whyte, Povetkin, Ortiz, Joshua and Szpilka, Arreola, Washington, Duhapuas, Ortiz, Breazeale then I assume they don't know who those boxers are.

 

Ability to sell wasnt the only factor, Whyte knew he could make a buck off Rivas.... the other factors were that Usyk is an unkown quantity at HW he didnt even make his debut! Whereas Rivas was a ranked, established contender.

Besides, it should be less about Whyte giving Usyk and oppurunity, and more about Wilder giving Whyte an oppurtunity that has been well earned and deserved.

I don't why as boxing posters, on a boxing forum, we can't drive these points home more often... that Usyk hasn't even earned his stripes for Whyte to just give him an oppurtunity like that. Whyte was never given anything... he's still waiting for what's legally owed!

 

Thugs don't take pro fighters under their wing to manage them when they've got their own career thats full of crazy drama and stress.

Thugs don't run Sunday workshops to get actual thugs off the street of crime, and into a boxing gym to put their energy into something productive.

Whyte ain't no thug because no thug makes it this far in a career with everything stacked against them.

That ain't thug behavious... thugs die by 25.

You ain't ever seen real thugs .

 

Settle down mate you're speaking way too much sense.

 

Wjute generally fights a good standard of opponent but the fact he chose Chisora over Usyk and Povetkin over Hunter tells me he is taking easier option of two, or it might just be the fact he is avoiding guys with mobility.