Wilder is physically stronger than Anthony Joshua

Devon Dog · Mar 9, 2018

Southpawswitch said: ↑

I will admit the way Wilder effortlessly tossed Ortiz to the ground in round ten was a surprise. Maybe Ortiz was a bit off balance, but that's still 250 lbs he threw down with one arm. Wilder's way stronger than he looks.
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He wont be able to do that with AJ

TerryESB · Mar 9, 2018

Punching power is a strange thing figure out. There is a lot of huge muscle guys like Jameel Mccline that make Wilder look skinny, but Wilder punches so much harder despite only being around 215-220 lbs.

Southpawswitch · Mar 9, 2018

Devon Dog said: ↑

He wont be able to do that with AJ
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AJ's balance is nothing special. Wilder will judo throw him too.

mark ant · Mar 9, 2018

fcb1068 said: ↑

I used to think that Joshua's only hope against Wilder was to impose his 260 lb frame on Wilder. However, I have studied a lot of footage of wilder and he is much stronger than he looks.

I think Wilder is country strong while Joshua is gym strong - Wilder growing up in rural Alabama and Joshua in Londons concrete Jungle supports this Hypothesis.

Some things that prove Wilders strength. Note this list is not exhaustive:

1) Manhandles a 245+ lb Luis Ortiz throught the fight. When Ortiz hurt Wilder, Wilder grabbed on and was able to hold on even in a weakend state. The opposite happened when Wilder hurt Ortiz. Ortiz tried to hold Wilder but 214 lb Wilder was too strong and easily tossed him on the ground.

2) Wilder nearly knocked out Ortiz by punching him in the forehead. Most fighters hurt and even break their hands after punching an oponents head (see Floyd). Let alone Ortiz's massive Cinder block shaped head supported by 245+ lbs of body weight. Yet Wilder punched through him and put him in lala land.

3) Wilder consistently punched through oponents Guards. He did this with Bermain Stevern in their first and second fight, and also to Ortiz who had his guard up for some of the knockdowns he suffered. If you have ever sparred, this takes real strength. Its like one of those video games we played as kids when you hold down square to charge your punch for that move called "GUARD BREEAKERR!".

3) In Wilder vs Stevern 2. Wilder used the referee as a cape. That referee is an average sized man and probably weighs atleast 180 lb. Yet to Wilder he felt like a piece of cloth.

4) Wilder vs Washington. Gerald Washington is a big strong 6 ft 5 in ex-football player and in their fight he put Wilder in a headlock and tried to lean on him the way Wladimir Klitschko bullied Povetkin, only to be lifted off his feet.

5) Wilder vs Charlie Zelenoff. Why you might wonder? Well a guy who looks average sized kept trying to hold back Wilder but again Wilder uses him as a cape and picks him up like you would a mobile phone. Compare this to when Shannon Briggs stormed Wladimirs training camp and was held back somewhat by a similar average sized guy.

As far as I'm concerned this revelation is very bad for Joshua because I know he plans on coming in leaner when he inevitably faces Wilder. If Wilder is already stronger than Joshua at 260 lbs then below 245 lbs, Joshua will have even less of a chance in that fight since he gets a lot of his confidence from his size. As soon as he realises Wilder is better in the one area he believes himself to be without equal, he will capitulate.
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AJ`s only chance?! He`s far better schooled than Wilder and his jab is like a ram rod, he would have landed far more jabs on Ortiz and that`s one of reasons he can beat Wilder he throws far more punches and a lot of them in brilliant combo`s being leaning will mean these combo`s are faster that`s what made Mike Tyson`s punches so lethal, Freddie Roach said AJ is the best boxer in the world but the first thing he would have done with AJ is drop the weights because punching with those heavy arms made AJ gas at the leaner weight his endurance will be better.

underwraps · Mar 9, 2018

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Don't be silly, AJ is the most physical fighter of all the heavyweights. Do you really think that Wilder is going to bully AJ and win clinches and win the fight up close? I mean come on...

AJ is a physical specimen, a machine. If Wilder dares to go up close to him, he's getting torn apart by combinations.

He is far more physically imposing than Luis Ortiz. I can't imagine a Wilder punch wobbling Joshua. Let's remember, Klitschko never wobbled Joshua, his feet were never unsteady. He hurt Joshua but he was never on unsteady feet at any point, even after the knockdown. AJ won't be as wobbly as Ortiz, that's for sure. Ortiz' proper real weight was clearly not 240, in his early days he was probably similar to the numbers Wilder is pulling out.

At 240, Ortiz is no Joshua when it comes to the physical strength side of things. It's just a load of fat on there with Ortiz. With Joshua it's just pure muscle and fitness and strength.

Also, when you're the taller guy, you can control your opponent, provided they don't have that much strength. He ain't manhandling Joshua.
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Maybe its because I've had a few, but you say Wlad did'nt wobble AJ.Then you say he knocked him down...A knock down is worse than a wobble,aint it?
Bomber Graham's feet never wobbled when Jackson put him to sleep standing up !!.Far worse that a wobble lol.
Wilder has the power to wobble and KO AJ.Just the same as the other way around.

mark ant · Mar 9, 2018

Southpawswitch said: ↑

AJ's balance is nothing special. Wilder will judo throw him too.
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Wilder`s balance is way worse, he staggers backwards evading shots and when he misses he`s all over the place, AJ`s punches are compact and shorter than Wilder`s.

Southpawswitch · Mar 9, 2018

mark ant said: ↑

Wilder`s balance is way worse, he staggers backwards evading shots and when he misses he`s all over the place, AJ`s punches are compact and shorter than Wilder`s.
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I think that actually helps Wilder, though. His total awkwardness and off balance movements makes landing flush on him more difficult. And when he throws back, his punches come from weird angles because he's not set on his feet.

mark ant · Mar 9, 2018

fcb1068 said: ↑

I used to think that Joshua's only hope against Wilder was to impose his 260 lb frame on Wilder. However, I have studied a lot of footage of wilder and he is much stronger than he looks.

I think Wilder is country strong while Joshua is gym strong - Wilder growing up in rural Alabama and Joshua in Londons concrete Jungle supports this Hypothesis.

Some things that prove Wilders strength. Note this list is not exhaustive:

1) Manhandles a 245+ lb Luis Ortiz throught the fight. When Ortiz hurt Wilder, Wilder grabbed on and was able to hold on even in a weakend state. The opposite happened when Wilder hurt Ortiz. Ortiz tried to hold Wilder but 214 lb Wilder was too strong and easily tossed him on the ground.

2) Wilder nearly knocked out Ortiz by punching him in the forehead. Most fighters hurt and even break their hands after punching an oponents head (see Floyd). Let alone Ortiz's massive Cinder block shaped head supported by 245+ lbs of body weight. Yet Wilder punched through him and put him in lala land.

3) Wilder consistently punched through oponents Guards. He did this with Bermain Stevern in their first and second fight, and also to Ortiz who had his guard up for some of the knockdowns he suffered. If you have ever sparred, this takes real strength. Its like one of those video games we played as kids when you hold down square to charge your punch for that move called "GUARD BREEAKERR!".

3) In Wilder vs Stevern 2. Wilder used the referee as a cape. That referee is an average sized man and probably weighs atleast 180 lb. Yet to Wilder he felt like a piece of cloth.

4) Wilder vs Washington. Gerald Washington is a big strong 6 ft 5 in ex-football player and in their fight he put Wilder in a headlock and tried to lean on him the way Wladimir Klitschko bullied Povetkin, only to be lifted off his feet.

5) Wilder vs Charlie Zelenoff. Why you might wonder? Well a guy who looks average sized kept trying to hold back Wilder but again Wilder uses him as a cape and picks him up like you would a mobile phone. Compare this to when Shannon Briggs stormed Wladimirs training camp and was held back somewhat by a similar average sized guy.

As far as I'm concerned this revelation is very bad for Joshua because I know he plans on coming in leaner when he inevitably faces Wilder. If Wilder is already stronger than Joshua at 260 lbs then below 245 lbs, Joshua will have even less of a chance in that fight since he gets a lot of his confidence from his size. As soon as he realises Wilder is better in the one area he believes himself to be without equal, he will capitulate.
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No.5! Come on boxing is a sport not a street fight or a fight scene with JOHN WAYNE IN THE QUITE MAN, YOUR TAKING BOXING BACK TO THE UNSCIENTIFIC DAYS OF jOHN L. SULLIVAN!

fcb1068 · Mar 9, 2018

MeatFeastMan said: ↑

Don't be silly, AJ is the most physical fighter of all the heavyweights. Do you really think that Wilder is going to bully AJ and win clinches and win the fight up close? I mean come on...

AJ is a physical specimen, a machine. If Wilder dares to go up close to him, he's getting torn apart by combinations.

He is far more physically imposing than Luis Ortiz. I can't imagine a Wilder punch wobbling Joshua. Let's remember, Klitschko never wobbled Joshua, his feet were never unsteady. He hurt Joshua but he was never on unsteady feet at any point, even after the knockdown. AJ won't be as wobbly as Ortiz, that's for sure. Ortiz' proper real weight was clearly not 240, in his early days he was probably similar to the numbers Wilder is pulling out.

At 240, Ortiz is no Joshua when it comes to the physical strength side of things. It's just a load of fat on there with Ortiz. With Joshua it's just pure muscle and fitness and strength.

Also, when you're the taller guy, you can control your opponent, provided they don't have that much strength. He ain't manhandling Joshua.
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Dillion White a non puncher putting Joshua in ***** street already destroys your argument. We will see when the fight happens To me Wilder is like GGG, raw natural strength. Joshua is like Canelo, strength built up in the gym. Can't wait. Though Joseph parker might have other ideas.

fcb1068 · Mar 9, 2018

Southpawswitch said: ↑

I will admit the way Wilder effortlessly tossed Ortiz to the ground in round ten was a surprise. Maybe Ortiz was a bit off balance, but that's still 250 lbs he threw down with one arm. Wilder's way stronger than he looks.
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Yes I saw that and I was also very surprised. People dont realise how physically strong Ortiz is and how good his chin is. Yet Wilder completely overwhelmed both of Ortiz's main attributes.

Watch any of Ortiz's previous fights and he's always been the bully. Whether Bryant Jennings, Tony Thompson, Dave Allen or Yusuf Mack, Ortiz has walked through them using his strength.

Actually I think now that Wladmir Klitschko is not as strong as we once thought. He tossed around povetkin and we thought that made him strong. However Wladimir had problems with Bryant Jennings physical style, Tyson fury's mass and strength, and ofcouse Anthony Joshua who easily resisted Wladimirs attempts at holding.

Southpawswitch · Mar 9, 2018

mark ant said: ↑

No.5! Come on boxing is a sport not a street fight or a fight scene with JOHN WAYNE IN THE QUITE MAN, YOUR TAKING BOXING BACK TO THE UNSCIENTIFIC DAYS OF jOHN L. SULLIVAN!
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Old John L would've licked all these bums in a single afternoon and had a beer in between every round!

fcb1068 · Mar 9, 2018

TerryESB said: ↑

Punching power is a strange thing figure out. There is a lot of huge muscle guys like Jameel Mccline that make Wilder look skinny, but Wilder punches so much harder despite only being around 215-220 lbs.
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Great Observation and I've been pondering this same problem for a while. How does Wilder punch so hard? I've come to the conclusion that Wilder is a real life Johnny Bravo. Huge upper body and small legs. This means that atleast 70% of his 214 lb weight belongs to his upper body. Together with his tommy hearns physique, its a recipe for other worldly power generation

slender4 · Mar 9, 2018

Maybe they should just grapple.

madballster · Mar 9, 2018

These Wilder bandwaggon threads get more bizarre every day!

OpinionOfACasual · Mar 9, 2018

Can we also acknowledge that Wilder has never been in with a guy with a tested chin.

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