Wilder vs Dempsey

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, Aug 18, 2019.



Who wins?

  1. Wilder PTS

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  2. Wilder KO

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  3. Dempsey PTS

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  4. Dempsey KO

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  5. Draw

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Fury is the Matrix. No one looks comfortable against him.
     
  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Other opponent's of Fury haven't been nearly as unwilling to throw as Wilder was.

    And how many hard shots was Wilder throwing i say the first 2 rounds against Washington?
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  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Hah! Washington was a 6-6, 83", 240 pound AGILE, fast twitch, balanced fighter who Deontay observed, figured out and let his hands go when the time was correct. Again, watch the last seconds of the fight and observe that my comments were spot on.

    How long would rum soaked Bill Brennan or wee Tommy Gibbons last against this Wilder?
     
  4. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I am kind of curious what you think all the fast twitch people were doing before any of them thought to become athletes.

    Seems like they'd be likely to become athletes in any era.

    Washington certainly didn't look especially agile against the slow, overweight Kownacki
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  5. BCS8

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    It's the age of the fatso brawler that we are in!
     
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  6. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Truth is neither Washington nor Wilder know how to FIGHT. Washington looks physically great and Wilder can punch with his right hand but that does not mean in any way that either man has boxing skill. They have not bothered to learn the very basics of the sport. In a world where we have so many potential champions and so many top ten challengers why bother?
     
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  7. Manos de mierda

    Manos de mierda New Member Full Member

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    Seamus, I've seen you argue this point about fighters being "out-athleted" a few times and I'm curious as to what informs your viewpoint that this is a thing that happens regularly in the ring. I'm interested because both from my (limited) experience in the ring and from watching fights I have come to the conviction that boxing is not primarily an athletic contest and that - although athletic features can certainly be a factor - generally experience, ring craft, game plan and stylistic matchups are far more crucial in deciding the winner. I would also like to know what makes you think that Wilder would get to Dempsey first, as the latter is generally considered the quicker, more accurate and tighter puncher.

    Just to be clear I'm a huge Dempsey fanboy so I'm picking him, but I agree with you that his occasional recklessness could be dangerous for him in this matchup. Wilder certainly has the potential to land something big and unexpected here and close the show early.
     
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  8. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    He survived Firpo's best shots.
     
  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Man I wish we could see that IRL
     
  10. Rspen46

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    A Lazy fighter from today use to all the easy things handed to them, and cell phones, train when they want, do what they want, have water brought to them when thirsty, when hungry have everything served to them. Not really considered as Professional of a fighter as the older guys like Dempsey who trained year round when in Prime and early in careers, had nothing handed to them until maybe they won a title, no luxuries of today, constantly training hard, a real professional, no way Wilder, Ruiz, Joshua, take them all, none wins this one, Dempsey may beat them to death in the Ring if not stopped quick enough.
     
  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    I don't see Wilder taking years off his prime to work on Broadway and refusing to fight black fighters. Go back to your hole.
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    That's about equivalent to surviving Bobby Crabtree's best shots.
     
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  13. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The difference in this fight and the Willard fight is Wilder won't get up that many times
     
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  14. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Wilder wants you out at range where he can line you up for his right hand. Everything he throws is long and often sloppy, if he misses with a big shot he is often off balance, unable to throw another follow up punch, or be in a position to defend himself properly.
    If he connects right it can be lights out for anyone he tags, but he is not an accurate puncher and gets over-exited when he has an opponent on ***** street.
    Dempsey wanted to be in close, ripping shots to the gut ,under the heart and then up to the chin.
    Wilder looks good against slow statues like Breazeale, who have no head movement or defence and are basically just big strong guys who possess only the most rudimentary of boxing skill,if that.
    Dempsey had great foot speed into range ,he was mobile and panther -like in his movement ,he hit concussively with both hands

    Jack's lack of great height and his excellent head movement would throw Wilder off ,that bob and weave would mean Wilder would find it very hard to tag him with those long right hands.
    I see Dempsey getting inside and breaking the stringbean Wilder down with a body attack and eventually finding his chin with a salvo of shots.Wilder hits like a train but Dempsey was never more dangerous than when hurt.
    Dempsey has the better attack with Wilder obviously being terribly dangerous at all times. Jack was proven "in the fire ",Wilder has ,for the most part fought a succession of nobodies. Most wont agree with me, but I see Dempsey knocking chicken legs out!
     
  15. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I'm almost certain he would if he could make more money that way.