Wilder vs Ortiz : Meaningless Post Fight Thoughts

cleglue1 · Mar 8, 2018

I also thought it was one of my favorite fights in recent years. Up to the ring walk you knew this was going to be a real fight!

BoxingABC1 · Mar 8, 2018

kirk said: ↑

I cant believe I am about to say this, but the more I watch of current Wilder and of AJ, the more I realise just how dangerous this fight really is for AJ. People are really overlooking Wilders chances in this matchup.

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agree completely on this point. i have been quite vocal, pre-Ortiz, of how bad i thought Wilder was, yet yesterday i spent all day on social media trying to convince people that "AJ walkover. KO in first 6 rounds" isn't as inevitable as they think. he is a REAL live dog in this fight, ive got AJ favourite but only about 60-40/55-45

Daddy · Mar 8, 2018

GlaukosTheHammer said: ↑

The hate is why I had to jump to Mendoza on my HW champs A-P thread. Fans seem to believe hate is something they control and use to influence the industry. No, not really, ya got it backward. Your hate has been under control for 230 years buds. It's a very basic reaction, of course the industry is prepared for it, of course you're doing nothing but increasing pocket sizes.

It's funny to me that an 18th century jew can manipulated bigots, and yes they if they weren't the system doesn't work, into making whatever race, nation, ethnicity, age, shape, culture, or any other form a bigot may discriminate against unfairly richer and more successful.

I mean, how damn dumb are you if you've had the wool pulled over your eyes from a fella 230 years back?

Next Wilder video someone will make fun of a word he mispronounces often. As if he can't just avoid words that make him sound southern and, or, uncuth. If "Athletic-cism" didn't make youse squeal like little girls in pigtails his ass wouldn't have said it as often as he did. He feeds you this tiny little nothing and youse take it from there and blow him up across the internet while patting your own ass because you speak dem anglish bedda as if he's a ****in' literary sport.

Most y'all mother ****ers can't read. Either lack the cognitive capacity or the attention span to read anything of worth, but it's a smart thing you're doing when you post **** like "yulaverse" is it? Bit of the pot callin' the kettle black except these pots never realize they are making that kettle gold everytime they scream black, black, it's black, he's black.
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Great post there Kirk, enjoyed the read.

Also, I feel you Hammer.

Critics will be critics. Someone always has to find the worse in people and start the "Diarreha of the Mouth" spew. It's the negativity that attracts others and not the good things people do. Shameful really. Who cares of Wilder was KD'd by lesser opponents back in the day. Who cares if Wilder has chicken legs. Who cares if he speaks with a southern twang. The dude is KO'ing people, his fights are always entertaining, exciting press conferences, he's always in shape, and he brings it. Isn't that why you watch the sport, for the entertainment value?

The Akbar One · Mar 8, 2018

kirk said: ↑

Just wanted to give some meaningless thoughts on the Wilder vs Ortiz fight.

- Crazy how much that fight is similar to AJ vs Wlad, and makes the setup to that showdown even better for me lol. The old challengers give a good showing, probably beats the younger champions if the fight happens a few years earlier, gets in to trouble with the young fighters power before coming back to seriously hurt the champions only to fall short and get stopped in the championship rounds.

- Much like the Canelo Golovkin fight, its weird to see a fight play out so much like you thought it would look, only to ultimately be wrong. In both cases, I was wrong on how well the winner (in canelos case, the non loser) would ultimately take the flush power shots. Wilder vs Ortiz went so much how I saw it going, even up to the 7th where I thought it was over..... waiting.... waiting.... Wilder is surviving, Wilder isnt going down, and.... the round is over.

Credit to Wilders toughness (which I never doubted, imo he had already proven that) and to his chin. Ortiz did land some flush punches that I thought would hurt Wilder more than they did. And I felt Ortiz would be able to dictate the fight to Wilder, which I believe he did for the most part until, imo, that 7th round he shot his load trying and failing to finish Wilder, I think he gassed enough to allow Wilder back into the fight a bit... and it was just a matter of time before Wilders power showed up.

- I did doubt Wilders power a bit.... I have to say, he is making me a believer. Its hard to really gauge, since we dont really know how good Ortiz's chin really is, but Ortiz seemed like a damn rock in there early on. It seemed, up until Wilder hurt him the first time, that Wilder was punching a mountain that was walking him down. If Ortiz goes on to show shaky whiskers, I will take that into consideration.

- This was one of my favorite fights of recent times (last couple years). So much on the line, both fighters extremely extremely pumped for the fight, both fighters so close to victory at different times of the fight, so much power being thrown in certain exchanges you really are on the edge of your seat because any punch can end it, and a very thrilling second half of the fight. The bitter sweetness of being happy for Wilder and sad for Ortiz.

- Regardless of what legacy Wilder does or doesnt build... one thing he might just be able to claim, is that in boxings long and storied history, he just might be the most powerful sub 215lb fighter to ever step in the ring. The 214lb Wilder that KO'd 241lb Ortiz is at least in the conversation.

- I hope I am wrong but I have a feeling fighters will have even more reason to avoid Ortiz now. He was high risk low reward before this, now he brings even less to the table, while still being formidable.

- I would pick this Ortiz against most everyone in the top 10 outside AJ, Parker, and Pov. And to be totally honest, I think he would have had a huge, huge chance at beating AJ. I dont think AJ is as elusive as Wilder and that AJ would have ultimately been an easier target. Thats not saying I would officially pick Ortiz, but I think he is a live dog against both AJ and Parker. A fight against Povetkin would be very interesting.

- Hopefully, AJ vs Wilder happens next. No more waiting... lets just get the fight.

- If no AJ, the Whyte vs Browne winner will suffice.

- I cant believe I am about to say this, but the more I watch of current Wilder and of AJ, the more I realise just how dangerous this fight really is for AJ. People are really overlooking Wilders chances in this matchup.

- In closing, I think Wilder is criminally over hated in the boxing community. In the boxing groups I am in on social media, I see ordinarily good posters calling him trash, other people saying he sucks, and of course on here the hate he gets oozes out of the forum every day. I get that nobody likes how he talks about our sports legends. If any fighter wants to be hated, just follow that route. Especially when you have done relatively little to nothing, compared to the ones you are criticizing. And I also get that his resume sucks. But lets not pretend he didnt try to fight guys like Ortiz and Povetkin years ago, I swear he gets more hate for the fights being canceled then they get for being responsible for the cancellation by failing drug tests.

The guy shows guts, grit, and aggression when he fights. He has signed to fight what were at the time two of the most dangerous fighters in the world (Pov and Ortiz), he is gunning for AJ, he praises his opponents after the fights, and he wants to unify the division. Not saying there shouldnt be justified criticisms of his abilities and his resume, I just think the intensity of the hate he gets and the venomous nature in which its spit at him seems ridiculously overboard for the reasons given.
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Saying Ortiz beats this guy or that guy is pure speculation.

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