Wilder's resume

The idea that Fury and Joshua were the 2 best heavyweights in the world when they fought in 2020 is a subjective opinion not fact. Ring Magazine subscribing to that notion doesn't make it a cold, hard objective truth. There are many rankings by Ring Magazine that I don't agree with.

Like say Mike Tyson being the 3rd best heavyweight in the world prior to fighting Lewis
or Michael Grant being top 5 when he faced Lewis
or Phil Jackson being a top 10 heavyweight at any point in his career

Ring Magazine has screwed up enough times that I don't think their ratings or championships should be accepted as gospel. I don't see anyone defending their many silly rankings over the years.

 

It's a lot easier to avoid defeats if you simply don't fight top guys. Wilder is the only guy generally considered a top 10 heavyweight Fury has fought since 2015. This notion that Wilder is the best heavyweigfht aside from Fury is based on what exactly...your opinion?
Wilder's abilities are hard to gauge due to his resume.

I think someone like Daniel Dubois would likely beat everyone Wilder has beaten and many don't even rank him in the top 10. Yoka as well. I think they could both get past Ortiz and Stiverne.

 

When Fury v AJ was being discussed, I had the belief that Wilder wouldn't fight anyone unless they had a belt. Like he believed he was above facing a top contender. Now here we are.

 

Now here we are.

 

guess I was right

 

A contract is a contract. It was always going to be Fury-Wilder III next.

 

Three wins over clear top 10 ranked opponents:
Stiverne I
Ortiz I
Ortiz II

Nobody else was arguable to be ranked in the top 10 (I dont think Im forgetting anyone).

 

Even now the Ring has Rivas at #9 in the rankings despite one win in like 2 years against a journeyman, they are really looking at that Whyte loss in 2019 very fondly.

I am actually working on a little project, taking a look at the heavyweights and who have actually fought guys considered top 10 at the time they fought (I'm trying to also incorporate the ring magazine ratings but their archive system leaves a lot to be desired.

But you're right about Fury, besides the Wilder fights the last top 10 contender type he fought was Wlad in 2015.

Edit: just double checked they have Rivas at 8!?!

 

WBC January 2015 Ratings
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/en/ratings/WBC/All/01-2015
Bermane Stiverne - #Champion

WBC May 2015 Ratings
http://wbcboxing.com/ratings/WBC_RATINGS_MAY_2015.pdf
Eric Molina #9

WBC August 2015 Ratings
http://wbcboxing.com/ratings/WBC_RATINGS_AUGUST_2015.pdf
Johann Duhaupas #12

WBC December 2015 Ratings
http://wbcboxing.com/ratings/WBC-RATINGS-DECEMBER-2015.pdf
Artur Szpilka #8

WBC June 2016 Ratings
http://www.wbcboxing.com/ratings/WBC-RATINGS-JUNE-2016.pdf
Chris Arreola #9 (late sub for #1 Povetkin)

WBC February 2017 Ratings
http://wbcboxing.com/ratings/WBC-RATINGS-FEBRUARY-2017.pdf
Gerald Washington #8

WBC October 2017 Ratings
http://wbcboxing.com/ratings/WBC-RATINGS-BAKU-CONVENTION-2017.pdf
Bermane Stiverne #1

WBC February 2018 Ratings
http://wbcboxing.com/ratings/WBC_RATINGS_FEBRUARY_2018.pdf
Luis Ortiz #3

WBC November 2018 Ratings
http://www.maurowbc.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/WBC-RATINGS-NOVEMBER-2018.pdf
Tyson Fury #3

WBC May 2019 Ratings
https://wbcboxing.com/ratings/WBC-RATINGS-MAY-2019.pdf
Dominic Breazeale #4

WBC November 2019 Ratings
http://www.maurowbc.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/WBC-Ratings-November-2019.pdf
Luis Ortiz #3

WBC February 2020 Ratings
https://britishboxingnews.co.uk/blogs/wbc-release-their-february-2020-world-rankings
Tyson Fury #1

WBC August 2021 Ratings
https://wbcboxing.com/mailing/2021/ratings_pdf/WBC_Ratings_AUGUST_2021.pdf
Tyson Fury #Champion (in 19 days)

Wilders record in those 12 title fights is 10-1-1 with 9 KOs.

Title fight #13 coming up for all the marbles.

 

Indeed. If someone wants to treat the Ring Magazine as the gospel truth and place great store in their rankings even after the Ring Magazine demolished whatever reputation they had with the rankings scandal in the 1970's (which they never recovered from), then I really don't know what to tell them.

 

20 pages in and still, no one believes you
Also, you're overdue to post with the NEETzschean account.
















Didn't read.

 

Tyson Fury was the undefeated #1 contender and former Ring champion.

Deontay Wilder was the undefeated #2 contender and had been undefeated for 12 years, was the reigning WBC champion and had made 10 successful title defenses.

The only blemish on either of their records was a 12 round draw with each other..

Anthony Joshua was the #3 contender having lost eight months earlier when he was dropped four times and stopped by unrated late sub Andy Ruiz.

Before the Ruiz rematch, Joshua was rated #4.

So the rankings seemed quite appropriate when Wilder and Fury fought for the vacant Ring title.

 

Tyson Fury's best win in the 2 years preceding the Wilder rematch was over Otto Wallin. That hardly qualifies him to be the number #1 contender.

Moreover, it's not clear the ring magazine belt should have been vacant in the first place. Klitschko vs Joshua was generally viewed by the public as number 1 vs number 2 due to Fury's inactivity.

Also, none of this has much to do with ability as far as I can see. There are several active guys who I would pick to beat everyone Wilder has beaten such as Joyce, Hrgovic, Yoka, etc