Wilder's trainer was a Kronk fighter

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  1. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just some food for thought.

    Breland may know what they're teaching Tyson.
     
  2. Boxing First

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    He was active over 20 years ago, wonder how much has changed since then. I know they all fight a similar style, keeping the distance with a steady jab lookingto land the right cross so Wilder wont be too surprised come fight night. Its just whether Tyson can maintain the level of concentration required to avoid the Wilder Windmill
     
  3. pow

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    I have timestamped this, round 12 AFTER Fury has been knockdown and supposedly 'concussed'. Wilder's attempts to finish him with the classic Windmill attack are almost laughable and it is a simple lean back, grab and duck from Fury to avoid him. Note when Fury is on the near ropes he PUTS HIS HANDS BEHIND HIS BACK before landing with a left hook. Fury handles Wilder easily, as long as he stays focused he wins the fight. Wilder is tired at this point but Fury was coming of a 2 year booze binge and had dropped 150llbs. I am not sure where this supposed athleticism is because he looked completely gassed. I agree with Fury at the press conference that a better conditioned version would have overwhelmed Wilder into taking a knee at least.

     
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    I don't doubt Fury will do it one bit. He is everything Wilder doesn't like and I think the Showmanship will stop this time Fury will be looking to put this one beyond doubt. I dont think Fury will stop him but he will convincingly out class him
     
  5. Scissors

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    I agree with you that Wilder was on wobbly legs. I would say that a better boxer could have got Fury out of there after the knockdown though (if they would have got to that position to begin with).
    “As long as he stays focussed he wins the fight” he’s only ever done that once. I don’t think them concentration lapses or the need for showmanship can be trained out him either. He was cruising and then boom. He can’t afford to do that this time. 36 minutes is a long time.
     
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    I think the showmanship is an essential part of his game to demoralise his opponent and influence the judges into thinking he is controlling the fight, trainers might not like it but it works. It saps the confidence of his opponents. He has shown near punch perfect performances against Hammer, Chisora, Klitschko and almost against Wilder so he definitely has it in him. Wilder is really a national level boxer with legit power, negating that right hand is very possible (he showed in the video above how easy it is to do, even after getting sparked it was still easy for him) and if you back anyone it would be Fury who has elite boxing skills (but maybe C level power). Wilder is not good enough to beat Fury boxing, his only chance is to try and put him to sleep. I would not be surprised if him and 'coach Lee' have been working on countering Wilder when he has to attack, he will need to make a move or Fury will walk in circles all night. Coach Lee was a master of this and I don't think there trying to change Fury, just add something to his game.
     
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  7. Holler

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    Breland was a clever fighter and has all the smarts, but I don't think his pupil has shown much capacity to take his advice on board. You can only work with what's available and at this stage surely they're just focussed on getting Wilder to do the things he can do well rather than trying to change or add much?
     
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    It’s not about being punch perfect. You’ve took that and made a whole new point without addressing what I was saying. Concentration lapses. With all due respect to Hammer and Chisora, they aren’t Wilder. One concentration lapse and it’s good night. Chisora landed one or two big shots early on didn’t he? Hammer got a Round or drew a round too. You just can’t afford to do that against Wilder as the recent Ortiz fight showed. I had Ortiz winning every round and then bang, good night. With his lack of power you’re asking Fury to do it for 36 minutes without that lapse. It’s a tough ask.
     
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    Should be more within Fury's grasp than Ortiz's though? At least Fury can move around a lot better, which can buy the time to reset.
     
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    Yeah definitely and he has a much better engine than him, but Ortiz doesn’t suffer from the concentration lapses Fury does.
     
  11. pow

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    Hammer and Chisora are actually better boxers than Wilder they just do not punch as hard. Chisora would munch through Wilder's resume for breakfast. Ortiz is 40 plus and has never fought a top level guy himself, in fact in his previous fight he could only manage a UD with Hammer. What is Ortiz best win? Probably Bryant Jennings! The guy has a grossly exaggerated record and was spun to make Wilder look like some sort of killer. As for concentration, just because a fighter lands does not mean that they actually hurt their opponent, Chisora and Fury are excellent at taking the sting off shots, in fact I have never seen better rope riders at heavyweight and Fury has elite head movement and footwork to go with it, he is almost constantly on the move and making micro adjustments. Wilder's entire record is worse than Anthony Joshua's first 18, you would expect a heavyweight contender to be steamrolling this level of opponent. Look at his Olympic record, he got gifted two easy fights and still required count back to beat Mohamed Arjaoui and when he finally met a boxer with a pulse, accomplished amateur Clemente Russo he was trounced 7:1. The fact he went the full 12 with a fully fit Stiverne said it all, he doesn't want any part of Whyte or Chisora he knows they will make him look bad, that's why they paid the WBC to get Breazeale in who is a complete tomato can! (I am now almost certain PBC/Wilder have been ducking Whyte in a calculated campaign). If Wilder does bingo Fury it will be his one in ten shot and Fury will win the rematch. Play this fight out 10 times Fury will win at least 9 of them. Wilder does not pose a challenge for a boxer of Fury's skill level. The only person who can defeat Tyson Fury here is Tyson Fury himself.
     
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  12. Bulldog24

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    Fury always loses his head at points in a fight. He's mentally quite weak in that respect.
     
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    Can't agree there. Him getting caught by Wilder last time out was due to a lapse in concentration by sitting in the pocket for too long with hardly any time to go in the round which he was winning and dropping his lead hand.
     
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    Damn, I had forgotten how much Fury turned it around after being put down. By the end of the round it was Wilder who looked like he had been knocked down and was in full survival mode, backing off from Fury and breathing heavily. Amazing powers of recovery, anyone who wants to try and pretend Fury was concussed from that knock down needs to watch this and rethink that assumption!
     
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    Yes it was a round overshadowed by the KD and Fury finding a way to get back up. TBF, it's mainly Fury critics who say that he was concussed and that he's avoiding Wilder and doesn't wanna feel that power again. I still think Fury beats him even easier this time round.
     


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