Will The Klitschkos Man Up And Face Haye?

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  1. Madmar

    Madmar Guest

    I, as many as millions of American citizens are doing just fine. In fact, I'm doing as well as ever.

    Don't believe the gloom and doom you here in the media, its not nearly that bad.

    Obuma, was the mistake, not Bush. Bush took care of business, and if that involved killing a couple hundred thousand enemies and making enemies out of ahem... "allies" so be it.
     
  2. health70

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    Why is that more than generous? It's fair - Haye generates more than both Klitschko's. I don't care how many punchbags they have defended titles against, if Haye is getting the PPV numbers, he should be entitled to his share.

    Besides, the purse split isn't the only thing to consider. No doubt there will be clashes over where the fight is held. Just offering a fellow world champion a 50-50 split isn't necessarily fair if the remaining stipulations in the offer are unreasonable.

    Haye has offered two alternatives; the first is a 50-50 split of all revenue, including that of Haye’s UK TV rights and Wladimir’s TV deal with German station RTL. The second was a deal where each fighter would keep 100% of the pot from their respective TV deals with the UK and RTL.

    Bernt Bonte didn't like this offer: "He [Haye] wants to keep the English TV rights and we keep the German rights. But that would make it 70/30 for Haye because in Germany we have no pay-per-view TV service."

    I'm just saying it's difficult to know who is telling the truth. Wladimir is as bad as Haye; you can't simply look at the offer of a 50-50 split without knowing all the contractual stipulations, then jump to some reactionary conclusion of it being a fair offer.
     
  3. Sakura

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    Next helenius..Helenius KO
     
  4. loughlan

    loughlan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Haye is a ****ing paper champion walking around with Wlads WBA belt. This **** might be able to fool a nation of idiots into thinking he is something special but the reality of it is he cannot dictate terms to the no. 1 guy in the division. I don't care how many ppvs he sells, he is NOT the draw in this fight. He should take what Klitschko is kind enough to offer him, thank him for even entertaining the fight after the sham he's just been involved in, take his beating like a man and then **** off so we don't have to hear anymore of the delusional bull**** he spews.
     
  5. health70

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    Don't believe the media, your 'allies' - at least from a British perspective - are no more enemies now than they were 5 years ago. I've spent a lot of time in the States - I'm still as much an Atlanticist as I have ever been.

    It's racist zombies like yourself that people pity. Were the thousands of American servicemen worth the sacrifice? Perhaps. Perhaps not.

    Either way, your inflammatory island-mentality nonsense isn't going to work.
     
  6. health70

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    PPV figures disagree. Most people view his exciting style and popularity as the draw for the fight. He's already unified his own division - he's now stepped up to HW and is taking chunks out of the Klitschko's territory.

    Haye is now dictating terms to Wladimir, that is exactly why they have begun making concessions left-right-and-centre.

    Bernd Bonte said: "We want the biggest money in the pot, and if that comes from a sold-out Wembley stadium then we fight there, if it's Germany or Abu Dhabi or Dubai then we'd fight there. It has to be prime time European TV, but that can be done."

    These comments come post-Harrison. Haye will now take the fight - on his own terms.
     
  7. Ponysmallhorse

    Ponysmallhorse Small but proud Full Member

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    It is actually same. Carl Tompson was shot to pieces by that time. They lost in exact manner Wlad gassed out against Puritty while young and stupid and Haye gassed out against Tompson at CW. BUT Wlad did also after 9 rounds of non stop pounding Purrity with power punches. Haye on did it in 2. Need more?
     
  8. KobeIsGod

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    No point in arguing here. Haye, Sky and his lunatic fanbase can spew all the lies and propaganda they want...at the end of the day, Wlad is far superior and this will be proven over time. He will probably defend the title 20 straight times if he desires and his body holds up while Haye is already talking retirement.

    I'm past caring if wlad can get this guy in the ring. Leave the 50-50 offer out there and try to get the best guy available in the ring. If that doesn't work, move on to the next ranked guy...etc...Wlad just needs to stay active just like he's doing and not wait around for this plonker. Remember, he delayed fighting in 2009 to get this guy in the ring and we all know who pulled out of a signed fight.

    Wlad-Adamek at MSG in March is what im hoping for next. That is a big fight.
     
  9. loughlan

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    PPV figures back up my point, the success of Haye's ppv sales are only as good as the hype surrounding his opponent. Haye is not dictating terms, don't be so naive. If he was Wlad would agree to let him keep all of the tainted ppv money, I don't see him doing that do you?

    Let's see how much Haye is dictating terms, if he is like you say, the fight will get made with no problems. But this won't happen, Haye will keep making stupid demands in order to duck the fight.
     
  10. Ponysmallhorse

    Ponysmallhorse Small but proud Full Member

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    Don't talk for millions. Millions lost their home. I've been to USA in 90th it was much better.
     
  11. health70

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    Thompson was IBO cruiserweight champion. Haye was stopped in 5. That was a young and inexperienced version of Haye fighting at Wembley Arena in his first challenge for a major belt. He fought stupidly under the circumstances and paid the price.

    An experienced, world-champion version of Klitschko was stopped in 2 by Corrie Sanders. Floored four times in four minutes. Had he gassed out by then? Sanders was just too quick. If he couldn't deal with Sanders' speed, what will he be like with Haye?
     
  12. BoxingFanNo1

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    I'm quite shocked if you believe Brits really believe the Klits are ducking Haye.
     
  13. MaliBua

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    Well you are one of those very few, Good, reasonable Brits.:good
     
  14. christo

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    This post is backward.
     
  15. Ponysmallhorse

    Ponysmallhorse Small but proud Full Member

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    Tompson was shot. He was 38 and was stopped not long ago by D level opponent. He was gassed in 2 rounds everything what happened next is irrelevant. The fact that it took Tompson 3 rounds to finish Haye shows how incredibly shot he was. Wlad also fought stupidly against Purity but it took 9 rounds to gas out. And Purrity was tough as nails, the guy can take hammer slam to head and wont blink.
    Sanders loss was due to inexperience(yes he had crappy corner his promoter fired Tommy Brooks previously), not taking fight seriously and of course fact that Sanders has very fast hands and can bang. Yes he is all out in 2 rounds fighter but before he gas out he is MUCH better than for example Shannon Briggs ever was.
    And no haye doesn't have reach, hand speed, power or southpaw stance(that wlad back then was vulnerable too) of sanders. Plus Wlad is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY better now.