Will Wlad Klitschko reign many more years?

All fair points. But if you want to take that route one could say (not me) that Wlad wasnt even the best fighter in his family for a number of years. Id expect the next argument to be he held the majority of belts. But what happens when more belts pop up? Hes not the unified champion now, so does that break the lineage? The only true way to establish a lineage is when the two best fighters in the division meet and it gets psssed on. That didnt happen till the Chageav fight.

 

Of course he is. But hes not disputing his claim as the true and proper lineal champion. In my eyes Wilder holds nothing more than a paper title, it meaningless, hes only a top contender in my opinion. But when if someone holds these ABC titles in regard arguments arise. There is no arguing lineage.

 

Outdated concept.

 

Please explain the new and better concept than.

 

Common sense.

 

So common sense tells us Wlad was always better than his brother? Sorry but there are to many holes to fill in with "common sense", its subjective. The number one guy beating the number two guy isnt. Beating the man who beat the man isnt.

 

Lineal championship

In professional boxing, the lineal championship of a weight class is a notional world championship title.

notional (imaginary, thoughtful, wistful)

History

The concept was developed by boxing fans dissatisfied by the tendency of each of the various sanctioning bodies (WBC, WBA, IBF, etc.) to recognize different champions.

There you go. Now, here are some facts:

Wladimir Klitschko - 22 title defenses (17 consecutive)

 

Thank you for giving me the wikipedia version of events that can be changed by ANYONE to suit whatever agenda they like. Fact is leal was established in 1922 to clear up claims from everyone (kind of like todays multiple belts) saying they were the champion. If i choose to use your criteria than my common sense tells me Joe Louis was champion far longer than given credit for because he was the best fighter in the division long before he beat Braddock. Using the method you guys are choosing one could say Louis has 40 defenses of his championship. You choose not to do that because you follow the loneage for him yet want to change it for Wlad. atsch

 

It is certainly a mess and difficult to understand because the sport has never had a unified system like other sports to establish its own rules. I can understand where others are coming from, i just dont agree with it. :good

 

Vlad can reign for at least another 4 years...

 

Then when Wilder defences will start to count? You mad or what?
Defences start to count when you get the Heavyweight title, not all of them. We are talking about major/real HW titles, and Klitschko won that title against Byrd, so defences starting to count from there and he have exact 22, and 17 are consecutive.
Everyone count it like that, commentators, statistics and so on. People are startying to worry about americans record too early. There is times for that, he is still on 17. There is long road till 20, and after that 25.

 

So you are saying that the lineal title is not "notional", but an official championship title?

Maybe Joe Louis was actually the best fighter long before he became the champion, maybe he wasn't, but he officially became the champion when he defeated Braddock. If your common sense tells you that Louis has 40 title defenses based on that, then something is wrong with your common sense.

Klitschko became world champion when he defeated Chris Byrd in the rematch. I can notice that you don't like that because 90% of your posts are related to trying to discredit either Wladimir or Vitali. You're very dedicated.

 

So were good and consistent.

Larry Holmes didn't become lineal until beat Ali in 1980. So he only has 12 defenses to Wlad's 10.

Spinks was lineal when Holmes beat Norton, so those defenses don't count in your book. Just to be clear and consistent.

Lennox Lewis was not lineal until Briggs. So he only has 9 (only 6 consecutively)

Good to be consistent. Do you agree?

 

Again, for the slower folks on the forum today. Lineage is either passed on from the man who beat the man or by the two best fighter squaring off to determine the new lineal path. Byrd was never rated the best heavyweight with either Wlad directly above or below him, so youre wrong. I find it amusing though that you want to use lineage to judge Louis when it easily arguable he was already the best. You seem to want to penalize him for their not being more belts to water things down but credit Wlad for it. Sorry son, but that is called a double standard.

As far as me trying to discredit Wlad....i rank him 12 all time with his standing most like moving up considerably when his career is over. Vits on the other hand....horribly overrated if you go by his resume. H2h is a different story. But greatness isnt based on what we think a fighter could do, but by what hes done.