Willie Pep v Manny Pacqiao

CJLightweight · Jul 3, 2008

john garfield said:

This is one of those Graziano-LaMotta what-if-they-fought threads for me, a -- surprising I haven't seen it posed before.

It has special significance for me: Been watchin' Manny train religiously since he came to the States; and when dinosaurs still roamed the earth, I trained with Pep (actually sparred with him -- if ya could call it that -- at the tail-end of his career)

Aside from the day-'n'-night differences in their styles, there's one point that stands out most: Pep's brilliance was like looking at a masterpiece -- clear for all to see and admire.

With Manny, it almost defies belief where he gets his devastating punching power, stopping sparring partners in their tracks.

What he throws look like arm punches. It even perplexes him (makes him giggle) when I've pointed it out in sparring footage.

Willie at his best could befuddle Pac . Think what Marquez did and double it. And, unlike Saddler, under no circumstances, would Pac rough'm up or fight dirty. ("I'm a sportsman")

But, if Willie let up for an instant, no question Pac would light'm-up.
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seeing as you were with them personally i'll take your word:good

sthomas · Jul 3, 2008

1hitKO said:

as usual, today's champions are no match with the boxers of the past..

pretty sad isnt it why are oldies are so overrated
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Not the case here. Pep is a consensus ATG with amazing skills. Now if it was Pac. vs. say Danny "Little Red" Lopez, and everyone was picking Lopez I would agree with you.

puga_ni_nana · Jul 3, 2008

john garfield said:

This is one of those Graziano-LaMotta what-if-they-fought threads for me, a -- surprising I haven't seen it posed before.

It has special significance for me: Been watchin' Manny train religiously since he came to the States; and when dinosaurs still roamed the earth, I trained with Pep (actually sparred with him -- if ya could call it that -- at the tail-end of his career)

Aside from the day-'n'-night differences in their styles, there's one point that stands out most: Pep's brilliance was like looking at a masterpiece -- clear for all to see and admire.

With Manny, it almost defies belief where he gets his devastating punching power, stopping sparring partners in their tracks.

What he throws look like arm punches. It even perplexes him (makes him giggle) when I've pointed it out in sparring footage.

Willie at his best could befuddle Pac . Think what Marquez did and double it. And, unlike Saddler, under no circumstances, would Pac rough'm up or fight dirty. ("I'm a sportsman")

But, if Willie let up for an instant, no question Pac would light'm-up.
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thanks for the insight. :good

was pep more of a stand-up counterpuncher or a guzman type slick boxer who slips punches and then hops on his bike?

sthomas · Jul 3, 2008

john garfield said:

This is one of those Graziano-LaMotta what-if-they-fought threads for me, a -- surprising I haven't seen it posed before.

It has special significance for me: Been watchin' Manny train religiously since he came to the States; and when dinosaurs still roamed the earth, I trained with Pep (actually sparred with him -- if ya could call it that -- at the tail-end of his career)

Aside from the day-'n'-night differences in their styles, there's one point that stands out most: Pep's brilliance was like looking at a masterpiece -- clear for all to see and admire.

With Manny, it almost defies belief where he gets his devastating punching power, stopping sparring partners in their tracks.

What he throws look like arm punches. It even perplexes him (makes him giggle) when I've pointed it out in sparring footage.

Willie at his best could befuddle Pac . Think what Marquez did and double it. And, unlike Saddler, under no circumstances, would Pac rough'm up or fight dirty. ("I'm a sportsman")

But, if Willie let up for an instant, no question Pac would light'm-up.
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Wow, you have been around both of these guys. You must have quite a few boxing stories. Care to share any??

john garfield · Jul 3, 2008

sthomas said:

Wow, you have been around both of these guys. You must have quite a few boxing stories. Care to share any??
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I'm just older than dirt, st. You might wanna check-out my writing site:

http://home.earthlink.net/~joerein/

john garfield · Jul 3, 2008

puga_ni_nana said:

thanks for the insight. :good

was pep more of a stand-up counterpuncher or a guzman type slick boxer who slips punches and then hops on his bike?
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Pep didn't exactly float like a butterfly and sting like one; he had a tona KOs most people don't realize. He was a stand-up boxer that barely touched the ground, landing flurries of accurate punches from every angle and danced away in every direction.

It was like watching the consummate bullfighter (Ya didn't wanna cheer; ya wanted yell OLE!) Except he'd rarely thrust home with a single shot. He got the kill by attrition.

PATSYS · Jul 3, 2008

Pac by KO

fitzgeraldz · Jul 3, 2008

Pep outboxes this guy to a 15 round decision ...

one of the best left hand jabs in the biz - ever ... a great defensive style ... and great reflexes --

john garfield · Jul 3, 2008

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DobyZhee · Jul 3, 2008

john garfield said:

This is one of those Graziano-LaMotta what-if-they-fought threads for me, a -- surprising I haven't seen it posed before.

It has special significance for me: Been watchin' Manny train religiously since he came to the States; and when dinosaurs still roamed the earth, I trained with Pep (actually sparred with him -- if ya could call it that -- at the tail-end of his career)

Aside from the day-'n'-night differences in their styles, there's one point that stands out most: Pep's brilliance was like looking at a masterpiece -- clear for all to see and admire.

With Manny, it almost defies belief where he gets his devastating punching power, stopping sparring partners in their tracks.

What he throws look like arm punches. It even perplexes him (makes him giggle) when I've pointed it out in sparring footage.

Willie at his best could befuddle Pac . Think what Marquez did and double it. And, unlike Saddler, under no circumstances, would Pac rough'm up or fight dirty. ("I'm a sportsman")

But, if Willie let up for an instant, no question Pac would light'm-up.
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great analysis..

ZippyMan · Jul 3, 2008

My Father watched Pep fight a few times and he said that Pep was unreal. Even with top competition he could turn it up a notch or two when needed and completly dominate. From what I understand he started slowly on occation just to give the audience a show and then close it as he saw fit.

Manny is one of my favorites today but I would have to go with Pep.

john garfield · Jul 3, 2008

ZippyMan said:

My Father watched Pep fight a few times and he said that Pep was unreal. Even with top competition he could turn it up a notch or two when needed and completly dominate. From what I understand he started slowly on occation just to give the audience a show and then close it as he saw fit.

Manny is one of my favorites today but I would have to go with Pep.
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Your dad was right, ZM. And as unreal as Willie was, what was more unreal: He could that from day one in the gym -- no long, painful journey to learn his craft -- a mosquito blessed with a divine gift. And he worked overtime to abuse it-- burned the candle at both ends and in the middle.

It staggers the imagination how good he could've been had he spent as much time in the gym as he did in gin mills and the track.

puga_ni_nana · Jul 3, 2008

john garfield said:

Pep didn't exactly float like a butterfly and sting like one; he had a tona KOs most people don't realize. He was a stand-up boxer that barely touched the ground, landing flurries of accurate punches from every angle and danced away in every direction.

It was like watching the consummate bullfighter (Ya didn't wanna cheer; ya wanted yell OLE!) Except he'd rarely thrust home with a single shot. He got the kill by attrition.
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thanks again john.

so who won in your sparring?

john garfield · Jul 3, 2008

puga_ni_nana said:

thanks again john.

so who won in your sparring?
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I'da kicked his ass if I'da been able ta find'm. If they'da given points for how stupid ya look, I'da got the nod.

john garfield · Jul 3, 2008

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