willie pep vs sweet pea whitaker..

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    i think Pep can win this on a UD but he has to keep at range and outbox Pea using his amazing jab to nuetralise Peas jab then he has to take away the southpaw advantages by doing the southpaw tricks to Pea. Also Pep has to stay away from the inside as i think Pea would get the best of the inside and mid range stuff.
     
  2. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Even if Whitaker is getting outboxed, he can always do 'the clutch' and his greater strength will see him grind out Pep on the inside. I'm not sure Pep even outboxes Whitaker on the outside though at 135, so it may not even come to that.
     
  3. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    at what weight? Correct me if I'm wrong but Pep's heavyest weight was 130 and Whitaker's lowest was 135. Also wasn't Pep was at his best at 126?
    If weight is not an isue. I think Whitaker's work rate will be the deciding factor
     
  4. Sweet Pea

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    What in the hell are you talking about?
     
  5. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    whats wong with it
     
  6. Sweet Pea

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    It was just completely half-assed and unexplanatory. It'd be like me saying "All Pea would need to do would be to hit Pep with the jab all fight long and not miss, while shutting down everything Pep does with sweet moves".

    Pea had a better, longer jab than Pep for one. For two, what "southpaw tricks" are you referring to so nonchalantly that would render Pea ineffective?
     
  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    it was half assed ill explain it better

    i disagree that Pea had a better jab, Pep had a phenomenal jab. His jab is one of the best ever he outjabbed regualry taller opponents and would ften double and treble up his jab. Sure Peas is longer but i think Pep can use his quick feet to nuetralise this reach.

    The southpaw tricks im referring too is the standard tricks southpaws do such as keeping their right foot on the outside of an orthodoxes left, making the jab fall short and countering with their jab, moving to their lright away from the rigth hand and setting up their own jab. Stuff taht made Pea even more awkward.

    I think Pep can take it on the outside he has great movement taht can get him in and out of range real quick like i already mentioned with his jab. He also has a good straight right that he can throw as a lead which works good against a southpaw. Albeit there isnt much differnce i just think that Peps jab is slightly better adn the battle of the jabs would be the major battle in thsi fight. I also think Pep is teh slightly cleverer fighter and knows afew more tricks.

    However, Pep isnt as effective as Pea on the inside IMO. Pep usually holds on the inside or tries to move away from his opponent. Whereas Pea tends to put his head on the chest and work the body while being in a defensive shell where he is hard to hit and he is always moving up close which also makes him harder to hit.

    It is a close fight but i predict a pep SD
     
  8. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dont get me wrong sweat-pea was a talent but ( what Pep forgot he never knew) Willie already had a record of 160-3-2 before he fought Saddler the 1st time and Saddler was 85-6-2. and Pep had already survived a plane crash that the doctors said he could never fight again...Willie turned down a BIG lawsuit at the time but went back to boxing...Pep also fought at 126 or under 130 for 99% of his career and Sweat Pea 135 to 147 or a bit higher...Pep was a master of the game...Whitaker was an olympic talent....All in all Lb4LB...Willie was the better fighter and I think Willie would have shown Sweat Pea some tricks he did not know
     
  9. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Based on the film we have of Pep, Whitaker looks like a better all around fighter to me. Add in his size advantages and I think he would win a clear decision, although a late stoppage is a possibility.
     
  10. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Pep could offset Whitaker somewhat with his movement, but I think Pernell could lead and then counter Pep's counters...If that makes sense? Whitaker would attempt to grapple with Pep a little, and work the body. The dominant punch of the fight? Whitaker's right jab.
    Whitaker by UD.
     
  11. smitty_son408

    smitty_son408 J ust E njoy T his S hit Full Member

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    What weight would this fight take place again:huh
     
  12. Sweet Pea

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    Show me the footage where Pep displays a better jab than Pea. I'll wait........and wait.
     
  13. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Pep had a style that could really frustrate Whitaker, if he were taller. Whitaker was most susceptible coming forward, as would most likely be the case against Pep. The problem for Pep is that most of the fighters Whitaker looked bad coming forward against were taller.

    I believe Whitaker would use his jab, and heavier punch, to win a clear decision over his smaller foe.
     
  14. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    any footage of Pep to be honest

    but check out Sandy Saddler fights
     
  15. Sweet Pea

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    Check them out? I've seen most footage of Pep available, including fresher footage of him than in the bouts he was getting KO'd or quitting against Saddler, and in none of the footage available does he show a jab on Whitaker's level, even if it is a very good one.