Winky on PED's?!?!

your post are logical. but what i was talking about is that if pac is saying "i feel weak after getting blood drawn from me" and you respond with "he actually felt weak because he got his ass kicked". then what is there to discuss? you've already made a conclussion so it doesnt make sense anymore to argue right?

 

Pac feeling weak is yet another lame excuse to not take the blood tests. The amount of blood they draw for testing is less than one-half of one percent (of the total blood in the body) and that has no effect on you. Mental weakening perhaps? But Pac's tattoos are evidence that he's really not afraid of needles and the fact that he has to give blood to keep his boxing license.

 

are you saying that fighters still have to demand for extra drug testing in every fight to have this "fair play" in boxing? if they really wanted the betterment of drug testing in boxing, then they should alert the governing bodies, to make it mandatory.

 

C'mon my brother.......when someone does not want to get tested, he's going to come up with an excuse, and Pac has come up with many of them.

For the Morales fight he may have felt weak on the night, but like I said, I attribute that to Morales.

Every fighter after losing will find a crutch to hold on too to excuse themselves from losing.
Pacquiao came up with several for the Morales fight.
Blood being drawn on the day of the fight.
Being forced to wear Winning and not his preffered Cleto Reyes gloves.
The cut on his eye.......etc.......
Pac used the cut and the glove issue before using that blood was drawn on the day.

When you lose, its natural to clutch to an excuse.

For Marquez Pac used his socks as an excuse for crying out loud.atsch
......and the list goes on and on.

This issue with Pac and the random tests however is a non-issue.......they're all just poor and weak excuses.
.....and you know that from the begging that Pacquiao did not handle this situation well.

At first he says he wont be subjected to blood tests the day of the fight or the day before.....

When its brought to their attention that they could compromise on how many days before, Pac's unwilling to anything after 30 days.....which he knows defeats the purpose of the testing.

......I mean its ridiculous......blood being drawn 14 days out from the fight is not going to hamper him on the night of the fight, and you'd really have to be really nieve or just want to convince yourself as a Pac fan that he's not juicing.

Pac's actions throughout this whole debacle just smells of fowlness, and honestly I believe even the most ardent Pac fans know this at heart.


Pacquiao fans know this......I've often stated to the Pacquiao fans in this forum after a Pac victory to enjoy him now and not take him for granted.
I feel there was alot to be proud of Manny Pacquiao. He represented the Pinoy's with pride.
......that is until now......
.....and believe it or not, I feel bad for the Pinoy fans who have supported him and now have to hear that Pacquiao is a cheater everytime they tune into a thread.

 

A few things:

-Doctors will tell you giving out blood does not make the body weak

-The above automatically tells you Pac let's it affect him mentally

-If it's completely mental, how was he able to train during a typhoon breakout in his country? How was he able to fight through a bad cut during his first bout with Morales? Doesn't sound like a person who is mentally weak!

-Floyd gave him a 2 wk window. Even if Pac somehow suffers from a blood test, he should only be given 5 days at most to recover. Fourteen days is more than enough time. Pac is neither a handicapped kid nor should we treat him like one.

-From what I've read, Pac will be required to take 3-7 random blood tests. I'm well aware it's not within the standard rules. But they're only requesting for him to walk a few extra steps. Nobody is making him walk 100 miles or climb 10 mountains. In other words, it's well within reason.

 

Well said!:thumbsup

 

Winky the Cheating scumbag!

 

manny gave a testing schedule that is very impressive in itself, i don't know why floyd still wouldn't accept.

now this is just a thought and has no connection to floyd or manny whatsoever. What if olympic style testing becomes mandatory in all of boxing? how would up-and-coming boxers who fight almost every month to pad their records cope with being poked by needles randomly all throughout the year? who would shoulder the gargantuan cost of such testing? would it put small-time promoters and local shows out of business? would it kill boxing at its grassroots level?

 

You're not so credible because you exaggerate.

First of, Pac never lost to Marquez (though i had pac won the first fight, i had JMM won the 2nd fight by 1 point), so you're already wrong when you say "everytime he lost". Because, since he got into the limelight, he only lost once. 2ndly, the socks excuse is the "only" excuse why he didn't win the first fight was judged as draw, so you're also wrong when you say "the list goes on and on"

A big NO. I am a pac fan but an un-bias one. Proof of that is, i can't see him winning against FMJ, but it will be a close fight. The 25 lbs heavier + 2 years older JMM isn't the right yardstick why FMJ will beat Pac with zero round won - i mean, think JMM have "a LOT" better chance against FMJ had they fought when JMM is at his peak and in a division both of them are natural at.

BUT THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT PAC IS "NOT" JUICING - GIVEN THAT OUR ONLY BASIS ARE ALL THESE NEWS, THEORIES, HAPPENINGS IN THE NEGOTIATION AND THESE ACCUSATIONS. I CONCLUDED THAT WHEN I SAW THE MORALES I POST FIGHT INTERVIEW VIDEO THAT PAC IS "SOMEHOW" MENTALLY FEELS WEAK FOR A FEW DAYS (WHICH AFFECTS TRAINING OR FIGHT) AFTER IT'S BEEN DRAWN. AGREEING TO THE UNLIMITED RANDOM URINE TEST IS SOMETHING, MEDICALLY IT'S PROVEN THAT BLOOD IS ACTUALLY INFERIOR COMPARE TO URINE. ALSO, THE FACT THAT PAC OFFERED 24 DAYS, HAD FMJ ACCEPTED THAT, THE FIGHT IS "ON" AS WE SPEAK - MEANING, HE'S NOT DUCKING NOR JUICING. AND, TO ME THE SQUABBLINGS ABOUT THE WHOLE NEGOTIATION WHY IT FELL THROUGH HAS "PRIDE" IN THE MIX, BEFORE BOTH CAMPS KNEW THAT IT'S RISKING THE FIGHT HAPPENING BECAUSE OF PRIDE, IT'S FAR TOO LATE ALREADY.

AGAIN, NOONE COULD CONVINCE ME THAT PAC IS JUICING UNLESS HE GOT CAUGHT. THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT HE'S INNOCENT.

 

winky has the right to feel that way, just like of ther fighters have the right to disagree with him.

boxers who said **** the test winky wright and allen green and .....

fighters who sayed take it paulie and nate and jeff mayweather he dont count doe and ........

bottom line everyone is not going to agree on this subjust, we dont and neither do all the fighters,it is what it is.

 

Both parties already stated their reason. Both are valid and within reason. UNLESS THE GOVERNING BODIES MAKES IT MANDATORY, PAC HAS NO OBLIGATION TO A BASELESS ACCUSATION. He stated why didnt want it, and Floyd stated why he wanted it. Both have fair points. Floyd fans think Pac is juicing, Pac fans disagree. One thing is for sure tho. History wont be kind to whoever they find at fault regarding this, and history already have substantial evidence from both fighters resume. Who is the real duck? Let it rest guys.

 

This is been discused before, and alot of people in threads discussing such matters concluded that these types of random tests because of the cost, should be done only with the upper echelon in boxing.........top 10-15 types of fighters........such fights bring more money to the table, so the promotion itself can cough up the money for such tests.:deal

......as for fighters that fall off that contender status, something certainly could be worked out where if you have a boxing license, certainly you could be subjected to a doping test at anytime throughout that tenure.
Does'nt mean that you will ever be called in to be tested for doping, but if you're called in and dont show up......you lose your boxing license for a specified ammount.

These things can be worked out......but the important that is that were seeing fair and PED free bouts at the championship level, and not a PED abuser hogging the spotlight at the top while another fighter who would otherwise be at the top is working his ass off to stay afloat while fighting clean.

 

It does not work that way in ESB.

You have too much common sense.

The accepted way in ESB is to establish your own boxing organization yet be under the state sanctioning body at the same time.

Besides, the modus operandi in ESB to to put down another fighter to increase the stock of their own fighter, so no logical step is logical.

 

Being a ******* you would like that would'nt you???:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

You have a simpleton way of explaining things really and whoever agreed to it really is such as well.

Assuming based on your premise that Pac is affected 4 days after the blood test as was given by your premise. How would it affect his preparartion in the fight? You are just looking at the fight time, yet, there are important things as well during the weeks preceeding fight time. Any disruption affcets how you perform during the fight time, like forest fire in MABs case, or Divorce issues, or getting to prison in Corrales case.

Fact is Pac agreed to everyday testing with the least invasive procedure, and no one can dispute that all the drugs can actually be tested usibg urine specimen. If the Mayweather's or the GBP are actually after cleaning up boxing, thers are modern and expensive way of detecting theses substances using urine specimen.