Wlad Klitschko being called an all-time great is an insult

You're right, but my point stands. How much did Stiverne weigh in against Wilder? Didn't Wilder weigh in at 210-220? While Stiverne weighed in at like 240? Are you saying that Deontay beating him is like Loma beating Gennady :rofl:rofl:rofl.

 

VERY DIFFERENT

Wilder was lighter but fitter, with more reach and taller

Stiverne was FAT AT 240

Ali, was 30 lbs ligter, shorter and with less reach

Wlad is a solid, ripped and lean 245. If Wlad were as fat as Stiverne, he would be like 300 lbs!

very very very different

little man David Haye fought Wlad at 213! almost same as ali's weight and he looked small...

 

Not Wlad's fault the division he's in has sucked for a while and no one is on his level. If anything, you have to give him credit because he's always fought the "best" opposition that's available- whatever mandatory/opponent the public wanted he's pretty much fought...unlike a certain #1 lb for lb fighter who has fought in a stacked weight division for years and ducked & "retired".

 

I'm a big Wlad supporter and think it is remarkable how he resurrected his career but if he falls apart tonight and goes t.i.t.s up once again, I would not consider him an ATG.

 

How is it very different, you were just citing weight. Here's your quoet "Ali was more skilled but how much did prime Ali weight? 215 lbs? probably even lighter when he was younger... Klitscko has 30 lbs on him! it's like a featherweight vs a middleweight. " You claimed that since Wlad outweighed Ali by 30 it would be like Loma/Golovkin. Well Stiverne outweighed Deontay by around the same, so you're basically saying it would be the same. Your theory is ridiculous.
Also a 3 inch reach advantage, and 3 inch height advantage isn't that much. Ali was more skilled, he was faster, had better footwork, and was just the better fighter. I'd easily put money for Ali to beat Wlad. Don't tell me what I'd do. You haven't changed my mind at all. Who is the best fighter Wlad fought against? You emphasize size too much. He hasn't fought a guy 1/10 the talent of Ali, and he's lost to lesser men in his prime.

 

Styles make fights. I think Foreman and Ali beat him. Foreman, I think would knock him out. Ali would outpoint him. I think Wlad stops Frazier and Marciano. Tyson is the big question mark. Could he get inside Wlad's range?

 

Ali; The biggest hype job in boxing history. His exploits are akin to the stories of Mas Oyama chopping off Bull's horns.

 

1/10 the talent riight. atsch Ali has also lost to lesser men then wlad... and needed gift decisions several times in his career against lesser men think Norton for one. Ali is great but didn't have hood power to keep wlad honest. And wouldn't be able to use his size to lean / wear wlad down like ali did against all the smaller men he beat saying ali would win is a forgone conclusion is stupid what would be his gameplan and how would he execute it.?

 

Wlad is clearly the bigger man, but I take in count skill over size. Wlad hasn't fought anyone that were even worthy to tie Ali's shoelaces. I know you're a big Wlad fan, but I know you wouldn't even dare to make a dumb ass statement like Ali fighting Wlad, is like Loma fighting Gennady, or will you?

 

So, tell me one guy that has 1/10 the talent that Wlad fought. Please go on, tell me his ATG resume :rofl. You wlad nutriders make me laugh. The guys he fought wouldnt even be worthy of tying his shoelaces.

 

i wasn't just citing weight, only an idiot would factor in weight without considering fitness. You said Foreman was 260, i dismissed that as that was fat old Foreman. You said Stiverne was 240 but that a fat striverne. How much would a lean Stiverne weight? 225 probably?

weight is meaningless unless you also factor in fitness. Wlad is naturally 245 when he's in shape, rather lean. Stiverne is 240 and looks like he eats donuts for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

David Haye was pretty skilled, very skilled actually. What happened? TOO SMALL and he was around 213, same weight as prime Ali. This is a classing example of size being too much for just skill.

also Wlad is not just big, he's much more skilled than you give him credit for. A slow, unskilled Wlad would probably have his hands full vs Ali but Wlad has skills.

It's a bad matchup for Ali because Wlad's weakness is chin but Ali didn't have much power. In a 12 round fight, i just see Wlad hurting him and probably KO him. After all, Frazier KO'd Ali didn't he? If Foreman humiliated Frazier due to size and power, Wlad would probably send Frazier flying out of the ring.

I would definitely put my money on Wlad, even though i think Ali was more skilled and much greater.

Lewis would have the best chance of beating prime Wlad due to size and power.

 

So wlad couldn't even put Haye away, who is much smaller than Ali, but he'll put Ali away who has a better chin :rofl. You compare Haye to Ali like their skills are even comparable, jesus christ:rofl. Haye's natural weight is 209, something you also forgot to mention. Sorry I just can't take your arguments seriously. You had the audacity to compare Wlad/Ali, to Loma/Gennady, your argument is just a joke. Also you clearly just cited weight, I took your quote for you. I never discredited Wlad's talent, I give him loads of credit. I see that you're avoiding this question like the plague, but who exactly did Wlad fight, that proved his talent? Go on. Sorry, but you lost this argument. Feel free to put your money on Wlad, but you haven't changed my mind one bit. :hi:

 

W. Klitschko would smash Ali. Yes, his size is TOO much and would be the overwhelming factor. If we were talking about a goof like Ray Austin, yes, Ali would probably out point him due to the gap in skill, but the difference between Wlad and Ray is like night and day. W. Klitschko is actually a good (super)heavyweight.

 

So which opponents of Wlad's is a hofer? Don't ask me dumb rhetorical questions.