Wlad Klitschko vs Jack Johnson

Which fighter are you talking about. The glass jawed Martin, who has more early KO's on his resume than any good fighter I can think of?

Johnson could not KO many smaller men, journeyman, and fighters on bad losing streaks who have already been stopped multiple times.

In terms of clinching and hitting, that was Johnson's MO. Wlad does not clinch and hit.

Sure Johnson had good hand speed, and accuracy, but with his safety first style and 74" reach he limited his chances for offense.

You once wrote Johnson style makes my **** boil ( Clinching and limited action ), yet you defend him tooth and nail, and blast Wlad when he does the same. Just another double standard of yours.

 

you miss my request for clarification -

-what skills are you referring to when talking about wlads skill level?

-big guys existed back then, but Jack killed them too.

You need to qualify your statement.

chin is not related to size, nor how fat you are, nor how much muscle you pack on. this is a fact, a real fact.

so you mean that he will cheat?

so how come it wasn't target pratice for all the other fighters Jack faced, many of whom were faster than wlad.

 

Unlike yourself I am busy with a job. I could care less about a spell check. By the way,you make plenty of mistakes too. If a spell and grammar check is all you have to hang your hat on your getting your rear end kicked in the subject material.

 

cliniching is within the rules.


wrestling, wlads method of leaning his full weight on his opp as if trying to crush him, isn't.

though obviously clinching and hitting isn't on today.

 

Wlad does not have a safety first style?

He defines the very essence of it!


I've twice stated this week that Wlad is a stylistic nightmare for Johnson.

What I dispute is agenda driven rubbish from you and Bummy :
"weapons that weren't available to Johnson " CLAP TRAP!

 

Not so. Durability / chin is partly related to size. The bigger your bones and more weight you have the less you get moved.

Main reason =

Johnson as you know avoided the 4-5 best as champion.

We have to look at who he fought that was not too young ,green or old that had skills.


Choysnki had skills and he Ko'd Johnson. Hart did not have skills but his work ethic and aggression was too much. Ketchel was crude, but he marked Johnson, and later floored him. O'Brein was much smaller and lighter, yet according to primary local sources he was slightly the better.


Which fighters did Johnson face that had better hand speed than Wlad in his prime? Perhaps none.

Wlad had top level hand speed. Tommy Brooks who worked with Wlad said his speed is even to Larry Holmes. There is not one filmed fight with Johnson where he faces a faster handed fighter than Wlad.

 

yes so. this is chin we are talking about.

this is the only relevance, but less so since jj was 22, 2 years into his career.

why perhaps? because you don't know.

he hasn't.

 

It's the fact that you cannot construct even an elementary sentence.
Now why don't you answer Herol Gee's request for clarification about what skill you are referring to regarding Wlad ,instead of doing your usual and ignoring the question?

The day will never come when you can kick my rear end Rainman.

 

WRONG. JJ had 20+fights under his belt prior to meeting Choynski.

I know. Its is obvious you aren't well versed.

If you don't think Wlad had fast hands, you're wrong

 

its not wrong, are you denying that he was this age? are you denying he started his career later in 98 and got KOed in the New Year of 1901?
Which part are you saying is wrong of these two point?
BE SPECIFIC please.

you've not answered why you said 'perhaps'.
why have you ducked that?

he has some hand speed but absolutely not that which puts johnsons generation to shame as you tried to say earlier.

 

Show me one heavyweight on film who could hook off the jab, or 1-2 as well as Wlad did. Wlad has these skills, the fighters Johnson fought who were in their near prime or prime did not.

Show me one heavyweight who had a jab like Wlad's capable of splitting the gloves and snapping heads backward.

Show me ANY fighter from 1900-1915 that is as dominant on the score cards as Wlad, who has never come close to losing a decision.

PS: Jack killed big guys? The only top level fighter near Wlad's size in Willard Ko'd Johnson for the count.


PPS: If you think the heavies from 1900-1915 are as skilled as Wlad, start a thread don that topic. Few will agree with you.

 

Joe Louis couldnt hook off the jab he didn't have a great jab? Ditto Ali?

 

wlads jab is not great, its more of a prod than jab. he hooks hard but not especially so for a man of his size.

Wlad has lost to plenty , and when prime.
What are all these no-sequiturs you keep adding, like... 'tommy Morrison never lost to an opponent when he had AIDs', and such.
Aint no sense in not losing on points if you wake up on the canvas before the fight gets halfway.

Johnson killed Ed Martin, the Black World HW champion, who was 6 ft 4. Theres one, and I am sure theres more if I can find one with 2 minutes research.

you don't agree, that's the ONLY thing we know so far.

I am afraid I don't deal with maybes and wouldda couldda shoulda, I deal with what IS.

 

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Giants all, and all chinny! So are Tyson Furey and Dave Price!

 

and a certain Wlad Klitshcko, his speciality chicken dance for his better journeyman opposition.