Wlad Klitschko vs Max Baer

Yes...

He took a lot of hard shots..

 

He was beaten before the fight, a total wreck in the dressing room. Yeah, he had a chin but he was completely psyched out. I don't think you've read about it.

 

I have only seen part of the fight between Baer and Carnera, but my deceased uncle saw the entire fight and I still have his scoring. On rounds, he had it 6-4 Baer going into round 11. He knew his boxing and I trust his score as being fairly close. He said the guy who watched the fight with him had it 6-3-1 Baer, through 10.

As for Max Baer aginst Wladimir Klitschko. If I can use the Baer who beat Schmeling and Carnera, I would definitely bet on Baer. Wladimir has never seen anything in the ring that remotely resembles Max Baer and I believe Max's style (if you can call it that) would greatly disturb Wlad...to the point that Max would stop him...in my opinion. I can't even imagine where they would find a sparring partner for Wlad who could mimic Baer!

 

I don´t know if there are really people who think that fight is anything other than a missmatch.

Baer´s and all the others pre war era-HW´s 30´es style is not appropriate for nowadays world class HW´s....

 

Well lets look at the facts.

Baer won the title by dominating a much larger and more technicaly skilled fighter in Carnera. That in itself should set warning bells riunging in your head about your asesment of his skills.

To get into the title fight he beat one of the best counterpunchers of all time in Max Schmeling. Call Schmeling a cruiserweight if you like but there is nobody in todays heavyweight division with his skillset.

If your interpretation of Baer was right then both these fighters should have beaten him or at least dominated him on the score cards untill they were stopped.

You are missing something here.

 

Semantics aside, my point was that Max DID POSSESS toughness in spades, the only aberration being the Louis fight where was a mess, still standing and taking punishment, but mentally beat before he entered the ring. That's not an indictment against his toughness but a defense of it.

 

To quote Larry Merchant "If his point is to get in the opponent's chest and take punches until he tires...... what happens if he doesn't?". Sorry, i don't want to unchain the beast again, i just wanted to quote the great Merchant.

Yes i am. But i gotta pay the rent, too!

 

I don't know if I agree with the general statement that " all other pre war fighters" are poorly suited for the styles of some today's men... But, I do concur that Max Baer and Wladimir Klitschko, specifically is a poor match-up.

I respect Baer's power and toughness, but His skills are very unpolished and lacking in some ground level basics such as a jab and a good defense. Wlad's boxing ability combined with his power and physical advantages are a bad combination for a guy like Baer. Max could take a good punch, but he couldn't just get pounded on all night long and expect to win... Wlad would likely outbox him comfortably for several rounds, while Baer eats up a ton of leather that is not exactly to the referee's or ringside doctor's liking....

I can see a stoppage within 7-9 rounds...

 

That thinking might be a hard sell to people who have actually seen some of those pre war era heavyweights fight.

 

If Baer wins this match it would be by KO similar to the way Corrie Sanders beat Wlad. Jump on him early and never let him off the hook. Max isn't going to outbox Wlad as Wlad is technically Superior in every aspect and can punch as well. Max's best(and only) chance as I see it would be to charge Wlad and land a winging right hand that hurts Wlad and forces him to backup. If he does then Max has a good chance to follow up with a few more powerful swipes and end it as Wlad does not have a very good chin. If he can't get through Wlad's defense and superior skills then I see the bigger Wlad keeping Max at the end of his jab until he lands his own powerful(and straighter) right hand enough times to end it. This I feel is the more likely outcome.

 

Almost anyone could outbox Max Baer and almost anyone could get knocked out by him.

Wladimir falls into both those typical groupings. He outboxes Baer easily ..... unless he gets knocked out.