Wladimir Klitchkos speed

HerolGee · Oct 7, 2015

oops I mean name not termite

uncletermite · Oct 7, 2015

Babality said: ↑

Who are the idiots saying he's slow?
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There were a handful in the other section,its not important to me to find the specific posts,though that's why I created the thread! Also to show how fast a 6'6 240 plus pounder ccould move since he is labled slow and clumsy... atsch

I would really break them down if I got into the footwork department!

uncletermite · Oct 7, 2015

RazzAxx said: ↑

I boxed in a competitive amateur level for 15 years in my youth and for a man of my size (95kg, about 15% fat at my late 40's), the glove size means **** to the speed of a punch. I know for a child under 10 years old it makes a bit of difference, since I have taken my kid to gym, but once you get some muscle in your arms effect of amount of padding is meaningless, if we are talking about hand-speed. But funny trolling :good.

Of course you should have your feet planted when power punching, but we are discussing speed here and Ali and Holmes, for example, could do speedster stuff that Wladimir never was able to do and never will. Like jabbing lightning fast in movement or throwing lead right hand without opponent being able to react to it any kind of way. Ali hit his right hand so fast that it is really stupid to compare Ali's speed to Wlad -they are totally different fighters. Wlad obviously has the power, but not the speed in any department.
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The glove size means a lot if you are a HW,thats why they do not use 6/8 ounce gloves anymore. Jabbing while moving does not make the punch faster or slower,its the fighters style,however..a wel planted foot with better positioingwill genete more power/speedoff the ball of the the foot. Alis speed is overatted if you are talking like simila fighers of the same weight cannot punch as fast with 6/8 ounce gloves...you are simply wrong,video ootage will prove that also. When hitting fast its the PUNCH that is measured not PUNCHES...you cansay he is a faster combo pucher however as I posted I have Wlad throwing 5 POWER hooks in under 2 seconds.....Ali has NEVER did that.

dan4579 · Oct 7, 2015

I have AIDS

Uppercut_Artist · Oct 7, 2015

Speed is relative.

Compared to a big lumbering piece of concrete like a Frank Bruno he is pretty fast, but compared to a Mike Tyson or Ike Ibeabuchi he is as fast as horse and buggy on a highway.

RazzAxx · Oct 8, 2015

uncletermite said: ↑

The glove size means a lot if you are a HW,thats why they do not use 6/8 ounce gloves anymore. Jabbing while moving does not make the punch faster or slower,its the fighters style,however..a wel planted foot with better positioingwill genete more power/speedoff the ball of the the foot. Alis speed is overatted if you are talking like simila fighers of the same weight cannot punch as fast with 6/8 ounce gloves...you are simply wrong,video ootage will prove that also. When hitting fast its the PUNCH that is measured not PUNCHES...you cansay he is a faster combo pucher however as I posted I have Wlad throwing 5 POWER hooks in under 2 seconds.....Ali has NEVER did that.
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You are just an internet troll who has never stepped in ring. I tried to explain the matter to you, but I give up - I don't have the time to waste on trolls.

uncletermite · Oct 8, 2015

RazzAxx said: ↑

You are just an internet troll who has never stepped in ring. I tried to explain the matter to you, but I give up - I don't have the time to waste on trolls.
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I could see why you didn't turn pro now! you would have been a major head ache for trainers,you cant even listen to a simple logical post...:-(

"but once you get some muscle in your arms effect of amount of padding is meaningless, if we are talking about hand-speed. But funny trolling ":good.

atsch

One of my former stable mates fought Wilder before he became champion...I think I know the boxing game a little better than you do! :shock:

Loudon · Oct 8, 2015

uncletermite said: ↑

Fans that lable him robotic simply don't know what or how to break down what hes doing....

Ali was around 210 in his 60's era and wore close to 6 ounce gloves with less padding in the 60's,ive fought with these gloves and believe me they are like punching with nothing.All things considered Wlad with 6/8 ounce gloves would be very difficult to avoid. Fury will be k.od within 5 rounds I am predicting. no one ive EVEr seen under 215 other than Tyson would last with Wlad,thats just what ive seen.....certainly no k.o puncher lasts with him that's for sure. Fury is a big guy but he hits soft in comparison and no visdeo EVIDANCE he is going to bring the fire power all of a sudden in this one.

Tyson had great speed you can make a case for either,i would probably side with Tyson he was lighter and had to punch upwards almost always which slows the velocity down. Tyson also on film 'TRAINING" thru 5 power pounches in 1.3 second...Wlad did the same howver in an actual fight...though most getting hit with Tyson 1/3 combo was usually out for the count...I would say Tyson/Wlad are the two fastest Hw's ever...looking at ali you can give him the number one spot but by what standards are the punches? Wlads direct,take your head off shots with Tysons in my eye rank over Ali's.
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Interesting.

So you don't think a pre exiled Ali would have lasted with Wlad?

Regarding Wlad's punches against Austin, they didn't replicate what Mike did in training.

Both Mike and Ali were faster than Wlad.

Loudon · Oct 8, 2015

Serge said: ↑

atsch

Nul points for turtle awareness. Turtles are no slow at all really when moving in water. There is even a Japanese film called Turtles Are Surprisingly Fast Swimmers. How could you not know this? It's absolutely mind-boggling that someone could still be so ignorant in this day and age. I should imagine that even a three-legged turtle could still swim pretty fast, especially when being pursued by a predator.

'Many people may believe that turtles are slow creatures that never know how to put a little giddy up in their step; however the truth of the matter is that turtles are very fast when in water. On land however the average turtle is typically only able to move about 1.07 miles per hour. Another interesting fact is that turtles can actually swim even faster than we humans can. This is mainly due to the fact that they have light shells that do not weigh them down in the water, streamlined bodies that help them travel through water efficiently, and strong webbed feet to help them keep moving.

It has been said that the average turtle swims at a rate of about 10-12 miles per hour but some have even been recorded to swim as fast as 22 miles per hour. New born hatchlings on average swim about 25 miles in 30 hours. While species such as the soft shelled turtle are very active creatures, more active than other species even and are quite mobile and able to strike with the speed of a snake and the agility of a mammal. These creatures are also able to move their limbs at rates comparable to those in birds and mammals and are very powerful swimmers that can even run on land at astounding speeds!

When turtles swim they use their flippers as paddles. The most efficient undersea paddlers are the giant sea turtles. They are clumsy and almost helpless on land when they come ashore to lay their eggs, however they are fast migrators in the sea and can reach speeds of 10 knots and are very agile creatures. The giant sea turtle has been said to swim as fast as 35 miles per hour!

Even on land they can move surprisingly quickly when they want to.

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I enjoyed reading every word of this.

Loudon · Oct 8, 2015

Serge said: ↑

Hello mate, I will reply to your post in the next few days. :good
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No worries mate, whenever you have the time.

:good

Loudon · Oct 8, 2015

Azzer85 said: ↑

To those claiming Wlad was faster than Tyson because of what Brooks said need to remember that Brooks took over Tyson when Tyson was at his heaviest, he was also coming off nearly 2 years of inactivity and he looked like **** in his next fight vs Botha.

A fight in which the commentators said Tyson seems to be moving in slow motion and he looks like a shot fighter.

And secondly, Brooks was training Wladmir at the time, of course he's going to say that.
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:good

madballster · Oct 8, 2015

Uppercut_Artist said: ↑

Speed is relative.

Compared to a big lumbering piece of concrete like a Frank Bruno he is pretty fast, but compared to a Mike Tyson or Ike Ibeabuchi he is as fast as horse and buggy on a highway.
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People were saying David Haye was "fast" and Wlad's hand speed was much faster.

Loudon · Oct 8, 2015

uncletermite said: ↑

Wlad was never a multi combo puncher really little hass changed in the offense ****nal,just picking the shots more careful now.. you cant really nit pick with landing hooks,many more fighters have had guys directly in front of them when landing hooks,only Wlad now gets the everyone is standing there excuse. when someone sets up a power punch its going to be when the target iss there to hit,thats what makes a more effective puncher,with his ring generalship and timing you cannot subtract that ability and say well these guys were not moving,past time fighters Never get criticized for it only when its Wlad or another modern fighter does this come into play,its called a double standard around here. :good
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I really didn't want to nitpick. The finish against Austin was very impressive. The first two hooks were great. It's just that when you say he threw 5 hooks in just over a second, it sounds otherworldly. But when you actually watch how it unfolded, it wasn't. In my opinion, you can't use that sequence to prove that Wlad was one of the fastest HW's of all time.

Regarding his variation/style of fighting, he's ultra cautious. There's many fights where he's done nothing much apart from throwing left jabs, shooting the right, and clinching. What I'm saying is, from a neutral's perspective, there's been times in the past where he's given the impression that he's methodical. He's a very skilled guy. But at times he hasn't used his full repertoire. He hasn't thrown many combos, uppercuts and body shots etc. Again, a lot of casuals have seen him put in some dull, defensive displays.

dinovelvet · Oct 8, 2015

mad*****ter said: ↑

People were saying David Haye was "fast" and Wlad's hand speed was much faster.
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Hows that?

Haye walked out of the ring completely unhurt. Haye's punches had a far greater distance to travel than Wlads and he landed the most significant blow in that fight . Wlad didn't.

Haye was faster. Wlad beat him by being to big and awkward.

Loudon · Oct 8, 2015

uncletermite said: ↑

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That clip doesn't show that he had comparable speed to Ali and Mike.

http://youtu.be/jkhpZoPOfZI

http://youtu.be/51090bGcoR8

http://youtu.be/wRwJyQtQ2Fo

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