wladimir klitschko vs a peak frazier

Frazier IMO would drown wlad and work his body over. Wlad isn't going to start out as fast so I don't think he will bomb out Frazier like foreman did. Once Frazier starts smokin wlad is going to have a panic attack and get worn out to a TKO stoppage

 

Foreman was a complete freak of nature with respect to his combination of chin, physical strength and punching power. In 1981, an aging, overweight, rusty and arthritic Frazier attempted a comeback in a draw with Jumbo Cummings, a big strong weight trained prison bodybuilder. Jumbo did not physically overpower Joe like many expected he would, and we can't automatically assume that a peak Frazier would have inordinate issues with Wlad's size simply because of what Foreman did to him. During his second career, George was even casually shoving around the steroid inflated Morrison around with a mere push of his forearms.

Wlad has gassed in the past, a horrible weakness to be saddled with if dealing with a prime Smoke, who would accelerate that susceptibility with his body work and championship distance stamina. Wlad's clinching? Joe won the FOTC over a grand master of the art. Fights are generally won with punches. Do we bet on Wlad with the combination of power, body punching, work rate and stamina Joe possessed? Let's not forget what it actually took to beat him, something nobody did at his 1969-1971 peak.

 

I think that sums it up. But if Frazier gets inside, its all Frazier and Wlad falls a part.

I take Frazier, based on the first Ali fight and the Frazier vs Quarry in their second fight.

 

The main thing is getting underneath Wlad's left arm. None of his opponents had the footspeed thus far to do it, although Sam Peter as slow as he is, managed to do it with no style in the first fight.

Frazier would constantly get close to Wlad by getting low, and Klitschko's only method of defense would be to clinch.

 

Also, Wlad has terribly innaccurate uppercuts, and he won't even attempt to commit to them until the late rounds.

 

Foreman hit him with uppercuts as early as the first round.

What does Wlad have outside of his jab and right hand?

Once Frazier gets passed his left hand, it's game over.

Klitschko only has the clinch.

 

This is why you rated highly as the most "useless" poster.

You should have just ignored it.

There was nothing to gain by calling him an idiot.

 

My exact sentiment. Well said. And you're right, Wlad always has the equalizer but I don't see him finishing but it's possible for him to win a decision if he were to drop Frazier and keep him struggling from afar. But Frazier would never let Wlad get going, I think... which would only lead to an increase in momentum and success for Frazier. You're right on the difference between Wlad and Lewis. Although, in a sense that lax improvising aspect of Lewis arguably got him in trouble twice. I would probably pick Lewis against Frazier, but I do pick Frazier against Wlad. Of course, Wlad could always land that big right and left hook and keep Frazier mounting back ultimately garnering him some form of a TKO/decision. But I envision Frazier putting Wlad so far out of comfort that he won't get troubled much; Joe will do a good job being far more evasive than most of Wlad's opposition that's for sure. I predict a Frazier late TKO or maybe a win due to Wlad DQing himself.

 

If we have to say Sanders wasn't the best version of Wlad then we must do the same for Frazier against Foreman. It's only fair. More importantly, Foreman stunned Frazier early and trouble him the most with the uppercut. A weapon almost non-existant in Wlad's arsenal. I haven't really seen it since his last fight when he finished Peters. Even though... he only through it when Peters was dead tired and a completely punched up non-threat. Frazier will never be this in a fight against these two. At least I feel he'll always be coming and always be dangerous. Lastly, Foreman was far more aggressive than Wlad would ever be... especially against a fighter with such a work-rate. Wlad's not even that aggressive when he has men hurt!

He Grant made an excellent point. It's truly a refs fight. I still believe Ali didn't even hold as much in their second fight then Wlad does in Germany (Or is allowed too potentially). But that's another argument. If this fight's outside Germany I favor Frazier. In Germany, I'll favor Wlad by grinding Frazier down in record breaking clinch/holding fest fashion.

 

Excellent point. The real thing is Wlad has to fight Frazier off, and I just don't see him doing that. Even if he were to hurt the man early and drop him... would he muster enough to even try finishing him? Doubtful. Wlad knows in the back of his mind the man that Frazier really is. Wlad is mindful of his stamina. Probably another reason why he doesn't over-exert himself since the Brewster and Purity fights (Besides doing so to give his opposition nothing to counter him with).

If Wlad believes boxing is chess. Then his first and best move would be to probably unload early. Another important point is that while not only was Ali and other Frazier opposition faster then Wlad... but Wlad's no where near as mobile as Ali (Even though he can still be mobile). And he has never really needed to be for an entire fight. Frazier would wear Wlad's body and legs down... unless Wlad takes a stand. Extremely doubtful. But who knows, maybe we're wrong and Frazier gets pasted. Maybe he just can't deal with the height, skills, and power? I don't believe that.

 

Explain.

 

Ah well, I think stylewise Frazier´s got just the right one to beat Wlad. But then Wlad has that huge size advantage. If Wlad wouldn´t have those panic attacks when pressured I´d pick him but even so he somewhat showed that he could deal with pressure in the first Peter fight I don´t think he would be ablte to deal with the heat Joe brings. Would be an interesting fight though.

 

He has the left hook he scored the bulk of his knockouts with as well the uppercut that KOed Peter.

:rofl Go back to general, loverboy. Can we please stop these Klistchko threads down here. Everytime we draw idoits like Hendo, Nay Sayer, and Fighting Weight...posters how have no interest or knowledge in classic boxing and only post about the K brothers.