Wladimir Klitschko vs Ali

All of that means fook all when you're getting sparked out by middle of the road opponents like Ross Puritty, Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster and then need to go and cherry pick for a decade like Leapai, Mormeck, Brock, Pulev and all that. Crap opponents.

Muhammad Ali would put him over that's for sure and even on a 6 inch thick trampoline sponge "canvas".

 

Pulev beat guys like Chisora and Hughie Fury, he wasn't bad at all, also a very good amateur. A lot of people thought Pulev would win at the time. Also, Klitschko beat Povetkin, Haye, Ibragimov, and Chagaev. All very good names. He really only missed Valuev and his brother.

 

I guess that then Valuev already was old.
With brother he ofc could not fight, despite this might had generate huge revenue: battle of brothers, belts unificiation and with proper marketing and PR activities sales might had been amazing.
Different thing that this might had heavily impact their reputation in society not in good way. Majority of society aren't boxing fans and if you turn into politic or business, this might have very huge bad impact on career/ business deals.

 

The fact you need to mention Chisora and Hughie Fury as names Pulev has beat shows how shallow his record is. Who hasn't beat Chisora?

Klitschko (and ref) "beat" Povetkin - more of a stain on his record than anything else. Haye was pathetic. Ibragimov came for the money and then retired. Chagaev? LOL.

What I'm saying is beating this pathetic lot is hardly indicative of how he would do against Muhammad Ali. We know he has been sparked out by crap boxers.

 

Ali defeats both Klitschkos same as how defeated Joe Bugner.

Klitschko could never pin Ali down with the jab so the fight is lost for him on that factor alone.

The illegal spongy canvas he liked to use shows how insecure he was against opponents that could move around the ring.

 

Yeah, because Wlad was aging and not in his prime, Pulev then was 33.y.o up coming cotender not current old uncle 39 y.o
Actually had been also assumed that Thompson might beat Wlad and excatly cos he was not smaller than Wlad.
The era called by Wlad's haters as bad era just in reality is LARGE SIZE BOXERS ERA.

For sure a lot of ppl will endlessly post that Ali will beat all boxers.
boxing fans does have also blogs about Ali opponents size and nice & cool talks not for Ali fans how he " defeated " Norton.
Not alone that a lot of Ali opponents were CW size boxers because this was small HW boxers era.
220 lbs Liston had been considered as very large in this era and Ali was 215 lbs and had been pretty suitable size for this era.
Patterson was approx 190 lbs boxer.

 

I usually do not buy these talks. All great boxers does have talks about them that something is illegal. Ali too and I do not bring up these talks in this discussion. Not proven talks are just not proven talks.

Wlad had wins via KO in 53 professional boxing fights, he had fought with boxers coming in the ring at 260, 251, 245, 244 lbs etc and not all boxers he had beat were smaller or lighter than he.
Actually some his opponents were heavier than Wlad in weight ins.
Also Wlad did not get famous like some modern boxers by beating up 38-39-40 years old over the hill boxers.
Still people disrespect Wlad and his achievments and are talking how insecure he was.

If he was insecure, he might retire from boxing when he was 34 y.o and even did not fight vs Haye because he then already was rich.

A few ppl in the world even will climb in the ring if they will have couple of mil on their account and mortgage without mortgage loan.
There in the world are hundreds of opportunities to rise your capital and this is by using $ you already have.

 

Levels. Ali dances around the hapless Wlad for 6 or 8 rounds landing jabs and straight rights at will until Wlad gasses. Ali turns up the heat and stops his man before rd 10.

Big bro comes for revenge, but loses by wide UD.

If they got into the ring together to face The Greatest, they might be able to corner him or something, but one on one, they'd never lay a glove on Ali.

 

I think Ali fans needs their website where to worship Ali and next website where to hate Klits and post their posts.

 

about this you might create you own blog.

 

Ali in his prime. He wouldn't hit Ali in the ass with a broom stick. Way too slow.

 

Surrix I AGREE with you that so often people show bias & bigotry towards their own kind.
You make a good case for him, even though you do not compare it with Ali's accomplishments then.
Us Americans are no better.

Maybe Wlad was better as an amateur, both were superb.
In absolute terms sure, they were in different divisions them. Since Ali started at 12, never competed above LHW until he was a pro.
Like most he needed time to fill out (especially without PED's), & he was not Wlad's height, if he was, he would have been a HW when a teenager.

Wlad is a top ATG for sure.
However, just like Ali defenders must deal with gift decisions & his pulling on the back of opponent's necks (in his second career)...
You should address things like rules favoritism, spongy canvas, hometown officiating advantages...

IF not true, I am open to that-show the evidence.
Again I do not see Sasha doing most of the clinching & grabbing in their fight. Most everyone says it was Wlad.
I challenged you to start a threa about it & show the evidence.

Not because I am deriding you, but to get at The truth-wherever it may lay.

 

Well, if about canvas, I don't know. People in U.S sometimes question Ali as hometown officiated vs Foreman and Frazier. There are rumors and unproven talks about ring ropes being suspicious etc arguments.
Also a lot of his opponents had been stopped by ref due to cuts not KOed by Ali.

I just compare Ali opponents size and even Ali size with modern HW division where since Lewis and Valuev era appreared that being Holyfield or now old amateur boxing and CW pro boxing superstar Usyk is not enough.
Boxers are LARGE and this does matter.
Ali fans are arguing that prime Ali will beat prime Klitshkos etc.
Not only vs Wlad ( at least he might not be considered as modern CW size boxers beater ), also with very large and slow Valuev ( he is giant if compare with Klit brothers and Lewis ), Lewis fights showed how SIZE and WEIGHT matters.
A lot of ppl before Lewis fights considered that " size does not matters, our boxer is great and good, he will beat Lewis ".
Life proved what stuff is VERY LARGE, athletic, mobile for his size Olympic Champion not only in Wlad, also in Lewis.
Not only size, also amateur background appears that does matters.
For example I think that some their fights DLH and Ward had won exactly cos they were former amateur superstars. They too like Wlad were Olympic Champions.

Regards to Ali opponent's size I really are interested how large they were and compared with modern CW division not alone HW division.

 

that’s because you are a big stiff idiot , just like your flabby hero

 

For example Ali had fought with very well known and respectable boxer in 45.y.o Moore who then was with more than 200 professional fights under belt and is listed as LHW boxer.
Mr. Moore was excellent boxer with great legacy but he was smaller than Patterson and then was also old with very long mileage under belt.

Then there are also articles about some Ali opponents size.


Muhammad Ali vs. Henry Cooper - Wikipedia



207 lbs Ali vs ~ 20 lbs lighter than he opponent.

Looks that even smaller than Patterson. Probably 187 lbs.

In modern days small cruiserveight.



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Cassius Clay vs. Doug Jones - Wikipedia

188 lbs opponent. Small cruiserweight.



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Muhammad Ali vs. Brian London - Wikipedia



201,5 lbs opponent. Okey, this is modern cruiserweight.

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This was small boxers ERA at HW.