Wladimir Klitschko vs Ali

Why do you think that forum posters should think about bragging that they might beat up Ali?

Isn't this a bit hypocrite attitude if you 1. should know that pro boxing is fueled by money exactly form fans not from the boxers.
2. you do not know poster's background and even size and shape.
Most likely you assume that all posters are without any fights under belt and maybe had boxing experience.

What might happen if he will had been placed under KB rules and will get few kicks?
You really are sure that he might bear this and also Usyk too?
Or MMA, cool thing.


BTW I do not have intent to talk like " I could beat x or y ".
You should also generate attention with your name and ranking position, belts etc. Not only type posts with intent to point how dumb forum posters are.

 

What on earth or you wittering on about.

 

What on earth you are thinking that I even will read up your troll noise?
Troll , welcome to Ignore list.
Remember, when you will pay to read up your posts, you will get attention.

No one sane will read your posts.
You also hate Usyk, I know from your posts.

Good bye troll ALT.

 

Listons Jab was harder , better than Wlads Jab , also Liston is not slow ,
just because he looked like that against Ali.

Liston also had great head movement and solid defence.

He would keep his distance and at the right moment prepare a shot with his hard jab
that would stun Wlad and knock him out.

 

Pulev's jab too was better than Wlad's jab and harder. Wlad then was not enough old.
Ok. Liston form U.S therefore he was better boxer of course, will beat Wlad.

Overall I agree with you: job to be punched in the face for a living is more suitable for ppl from U.S.
More fans, more $ and lesser brains to damage.

 

By the way its funny that you said Wlad would destroy Liston who only legitimately touched the
ground once in his career against Wlad who was knocked down over 10 times
in his career and all these opponents had less power than Liston.

 

No one had actually measured this " power ".
The same Ali had been knocked down by guy 20 lbs lighter than he was.


I agree, U.S boxers always will be superior and better, the more stupid is society the better and more great boxers are produced.
And more fans.

 

Well heavyweights are quite a but larger in Wlads era then they were in Listons and likely hit harder on average. Thats not to say that i favor Wlad over Liston because i dont. The closest fighter to Sonny Liston Wlad fought was Samuel Peter and the fights were pretty competitive.

 

Peter was skilled.

 

It's a tough one to call. Only the pre prison Ali stands a chance with his slick movement and in-out fighting. If he stands in front of Klitschko like the other 6'2 guys Klitschko fought he has no chance at all, he will get clinched and rag dolled.

What people haven't mentioned is Klitschko's handspeed, his 1-2 was absolutely rapid, not far off from Ali's speed. His footwork was also very impressive for a man his size. He unfairly gets labelled as a robot.

Klitschko's power is somewhat overrated though, Byrd and Peter took lots of flush right hands from him before getting hurt. I would put his power behind Wilder and Joshua.

 

No, Ali was very strong in the clinch, in part due to his body mechanics.
You have also rounded down Ali's height.
Ali was not just slightly faster than Klitchko.

 

Well, there for so called power to work, you need to land properly. Preferably in right moment. If you had at least sparred hard, you should know this.
There are a lot of boxers who hits harder than their opponents per se and had seriously damaged opponents and then lost fights vs boxers with supposedly lesser power.

60 ies Ali had very good legs, damn good and fast legs for his size, yeah.
Such a good legs I think no one at HW ever had. Even at modern CW during last 30 years too.
Very good legs. Better legs than for prime Usyk for sure.

Regards to fighting technique, Wlad initially was EE style boxer with power and later he had adapted also western training. Wlad was willing to learn further and improve further.

A lot of modern boxers does have different flowcharts, guards and fighting basis than Liston.

The most closest to modern era flowchart had Norton and Patterson and while Patterson was great boxer with very impressive amateur resume, including opponents finishing in amateur ranks, he was approx 190 lber. Look what difference for peek a bo under the same Cus was with approx 210 lbs boxer in Mike Tyson. Like when he was under Cus and Rooney?
Even such approx 20 lbs more weight made wonders for peek a bo under Cus. Ofc prime Mike had also better legs than Patterson.
I even might pick up prime Huck to beat Liston. Prime Huck wasn' prime anymore I think after he had these fights: vs prime Glowacki version and prime Briedis. Then after Usyk fight for sure he is____________
Huck even is not that old, only 3 months older than Briedis.


If this will be Ali from 60 ies, he might in good night get UD.
Ali from 70 ies vs prime Klitshko after he had also western training added: Wlad via UD or KO.

 

He won't be so strong in the clinch with someone who is 30lbs heavier and 3 inches taller.

Klitschko's 1-2 was not much slower than Ali's. Obviously Ali was a much faster combination puncher.

 

Ali via decision

Klitschko couldn't handle Sanders hand speed and Ali definitely has faster hands ... And I don't think he can deal with Ali's movement ... He needs to be set to throw punches

Ali had trouble with guys who constantly applied pressure and got into his chest ... Klit doesn't have that style and he doesn't have that stamina

Vitali gives Ali a tougher time but Ali beats both Klits