Maybe Ali did not want the fight, but King is an endlessly corrupt sociopath-who literally abandoned Frazier when he was being beaten by Foreman to hog the spotlight when Foreman won-so he might have avoided it to retain power & control, thinking it was too much of a risk. Others say that Foreman was kinda mentally broken & not ready for a rematch. I am not sure what you were saying about the end of the Thrilla in Manilla. Maybe use a language translater if you are unsure your meaning makes sense or is unclear. No offense, I have no decent second language at all lol! Maybe you were noting how Frazier was retired, against his will, by his trainer Futch before Ali could quit. Futch had seen men killed in the ring. However tough Ali was, Frazier was tougher, he would have fought onto his own Death.
Where a fighter originates from makes no difference to me at all. Yes, size matters in many fights. But size can be overcome by the right blend of styles and attributes. We have seen this all throughout the history of the sport. Again, you initially said that Ali could NOT have beaten Valuev due to his size. Yet other guys of Ali's size, as well as guys who were smaller were able to beat Valuev. Ali wouldn't have needed to have stopped Valuev. He could have out boxed him with his superior skills and speed. Ali would have been made a huge favourite against Valuev. Saying that Ali couldn't have beaten him just because he was huge, is completely ignorant.
For his size he was damn excellent and effective, yeah. Actually both of them, Frazier and Foreman likes me. Dempsey more. King really was a bit strange, ali, gerald and mike looks that had benefitied from him a lot and also had suffered a lot. Cos pro boxing matches depends also from boxer's manager, boxer's team and promoter, event's promoter I really not willing to accuse boxers as ducking etc alike. boxer is 1 part of game, his manager 2 nd part, team 3 rd pard and event's promoter 4 th part, then also mass media as real king and tickets sales. Poor boxers, they are just one part from big mechanism and big game and exactly boxers are accused by fans.
He was past his best against Tyson, but he could land shots on Joshua that he couldn't land on Tyson. Haye was in survival mode, but there were times when Haye was trapped up against the ropes where Wlad couldn't capitalise. Both guys were extremely cautious. But the point I was making, is that you can land punches on some opponents but not on others. Again, it all comes down to how they'd have matched up stylistically. Ali was vulnerable to left hooks from guys who were fast and of a similar size. But again, Wlad would have found it extremely difficult to have landed a left hook on Wlad. And even if he could have done, it wouldn't have been the same type of hook that Frazier and Cooper were able to land.
I think just normal and average casual. I had exp how matchmaking might happen or no and there, yeah, to judge just a boxer is not realistic approach. For example beginners pro level: no, we will not take your kid for our guy and pick easier opponent, not only this variant, there a lot variables. Also: variant: boxer A had agreed to gave rematch to boxer B and they had agreed to fight, problem is: $ to get for next fight. I normally had experienced this for example lads were willing to fight again, purse range like approx 50-150 k GBP and no $ for rematch.
ROFLMAO Ali would play with timid Wlad torment him ,stop him Grabbing & holding as he embarrasses him by round 6 Another Klitschko TKO-6
You too most likely compare Wlad vs some Ivan Drago from cinema. He was real amateur superstar like Ali was and he was considerably larger than Ali. Also his amateur legacy is more impressive than Ali had, this is reality. You hate non Western boxers, maybe because you reflect them as Ivan Drago from Rocky film, as some enemies and evil. Wlad and Vitali are from capitalistic Ukraine, not from socialistic Soviet Union like Drago was in famous film.
Holmes had beated up ALI in his real prime. Do not seek any excuses, this was prime Ali version. If you are climbing in the ring, you should be fit to fight as had been commented about old Povetkin. Kovalev had beated up PRIME Hopkins and if he was OLD, he like Povektin should had been retired not to climb in the ring and get exposed by Kovalev. Holmes too was in his prime when he fought vs Tyson for sure.
I do not HATE any boxer. I dont care if he's from Kings Cross London, Kentucky or Kazakhstan or what color his skin is. i judge him by what he does in the ring . Can he fight ?? Does he blatantly cheat etc Every fight I watch I'll always want to see the better man get the win he deserves every time. As we all know that doesnt happen every time due to the corruption in the sport That I detest
Wlad is more clean boxer than Glowacki and a lot of Western boxers. Wlad ofc was boring in a lot of his fights. Povetkin fight, there a lot of clinches had been initiated by Povetkin and based on pro russian commentators. Fans are blind. majority of clinches in this fight had initiated exactly Mr. Povetkin and pro russian biased commentators made casual fans blind cos they do not even bother to watch who had initiated the clinch. You do not fight in clinch vs not enough old Wlad hated by a lot of russian and western commentators in forums. Povetkin choosed clinch and he lost there and then internet excuses by accusing Wlad beacuse Pov was not able to outbox Wlad and picked to clinch with large, muscular dude. Povetkin likes me more than Wlad but these comments are over the hill in reality.
If Povetkin initiated more clinches, it is news to me, & you must believe the vast majority of people cannot see what really happened. Why not start a thread about it with a poll, where you can make your case? Many feel Wlad should have been warned & if he did not stop cheating, disqualified. If you elieve it is the *opposte", tell everyone. You must be being sarcastic when you say any fighter, like Ali with parkinson's & on speed, is prime because he gets in the ring. Prime means at or very near your best. It is totally arbitrary who you pick as better as an amateur, Klitchko or Ali. Both were superb. Ali's exact record is in dispute, although *likely* Klitchko had a slightly better won lost record. But Ali won 10 titles, from state to national to Golden Glove championships-starting at 12. Add in the Omympic Gold Medal, hard not to pick him. [url]https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=amateur+ali[/url]
Well, I initially even didn't not had intent to talk about Klit's amateur career but in forums a lot of posters had described Wlad as unskilled boxer. Wlad like Ali too was Olympic Gold Medalist, I know that this will be marked as weak era to devalue Wlad's amateur resume. I had read up a lot about comments regards to Wlad form western posters. Different variants and still a lot had been done do devalue Wlad's achievments. Like: before fight: ohh, our boxer is 219 lbs, size doesn't matters, boxer is good and will beat up Wlad, expose him. Boxer didn't had won and then comments: boxer was bad, weak era. Next funny thing: our boxer is 6,5 lbs heavier than Wlad, size matters and he will expose Wlad cos he is good boxer. When this didn't had happened, comments: WEAK era and bad boxer. Westerners will pick Ali amateur resume as better than Wlad's resume despite it isn't and there I didn't had mean't fights record. Wlad was amateur in era with World and continental level amateur tournaments. Despite called in forums as unskilled, Wlad was Olympic champion (1996). As amateur boxer Wlad had fought in U.S, U.K, Italy, Russia, Turkey, Bulgaria, Denmark, Greece. 1993: Wlad is Juniors European Championship Gold medalist. When such achievement had boxer from U.K, then in forums this level looks good and not easy to get, when this is some Wlad from Ukraine, then " nothning special ". 1994: Wlad is Juniors World Championship silver medalist. I rate Wlad's amateur experience higher than Ali's and there I do not mean fight record per se. Wlad's opponent's size and weight almost always was higher than Ali's opponent's weight. I forget that now in the game comes phrase " weak era " : it is casual thing used not to admit Wlad's achievments.
