Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

I don't agree Wladimir is faster.He is fast for big heavyweight but not for small heavyweight and his stamina is not even close to Marciano.He is bigger,taller than Marciano but I don't know if he is stronger than Marciano in terms of boxing.For me stronger boxer means to have better punching resistance and punching harder and Marciano certainly had better punching resistance and in close distance he punch harder than Klitschko.Sure he would wrestle Marciano but all other boxers vs Marciano were doing same thing(holding,wrestling) and all of them lost to him.Like Angelo Dundee said in his interview small heavyweight are gone but they will comeback.

 

Your perspective is too far up Wlads ass to matter, and its not just on this subject , its the same in every other discussion revolving him.
Wlad this Wlad that, what did he do better other than being bigger? Nothing.
He wins fights by being big and awkward and having a big punch at a distance. Without his power he has very little boxing skill to fall back on.
Chambers who is a non puncher and average chin went 12 rounds.
The moment in the 12th against Haye where it nearly all went wrong for him wound be what he'd get from Rock every minute of every round from the opening bell. He landed an average of 12 punches a round in that fight and that is not enough to handle Rocky.
If Peters hadn't cement boots and had the workrate , power and urgency of Rocky, Wlad would NOT of won that fight.
Even Manny himself wanted him nowhere near pressure fighters after Brewster. Theres no argument against that fact.
Marciano can be beat but only by fast combination punching and uppercuts which Wlad does not have in his arsenal.

 

I would not go that far. Rocky has a puncher's chance, and we know he's not going to quit.

I just wish the fight was made today. We'd clean up if the gambling odds were close to even!

 

I'm saying don't count. Chambers never fought Rocky and isn't even in Rockys class. What he says has as much weight as what you and I say.

PM Chef to get Wlads answer

 

Why would he? He never fought Marciano. He can only comment on one mans strength,which we can all see anyway.

If we were comparing Adamek vs Klitschko then definitely I would agree.

 

They haven't shared the rose-tinted glasses or the adolescent, man-worshipping adulation of Italy's stumpiest son, tho.

Were they to understand this dimension of the argument, their opinions might be different.

 

He's been in the ring with a dozen or more elite level heavyweights, has been boxing at the top level for a couple decades and has forgotten more about boxing than you will ever know. That doesn't count? Really?

 

I still have not seen Vlad in there against a great fighter with a great punch. I think he is one of the best of the big men but not without flaws. He has a very tight defense and fights very carefully and I think we all know his past losses have a lot to do with the way he fights. Taking Marciano in a time machine from 1952-1955 may be a tough task because mainly of the size and modern muscle add technique but Marciano was still a great fighter and Vlad has certainly NOT fought anyone near great. Lets put it this way lets leave Marciano out of this conversation for a minute and lets install Joe Louis, who has less of a size difference and a proven record against big men....would many of the people on this board be willing to bet their house on Vlad vs Louis or would they be confident to bet anything substantial ...we can all speak boldly but we also know these fights can not happen...but If they were possible I would be putting a large sum on Louis

 

Forgotten more about boxing then I will ever know? Bring him here lets see.

Get ur tongue out of his ass. Wlad beat him so Wlad beats Rocky? Is he saying he's better then Rocky?, Maybe it's because the point everyone else is making big and strong.

 

Marciano vs Vitali fight simulation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQCiue7RXJs

 

So you know more than a guy who has been at the top level of amateur and pro boxing for 2 decades because you own a video game meant for a 12 year old.

Is there any more proof needed that this board has gone to ****?

 

Do you want to point out where I said I know more this then guy?

Unless he has fought Marciano his opinion is as strong as yours and mine.

 

Me?

I'd have a round or two to make my explosive, modern, big punching ass the boss in the fight. If that worked? I think I could get it done. 9 of ten times, when I hurt a guy, thats it, early night. If it didn't? Trouble. Long fight with a bruiser like that, tiny ass man though he was? Not something I'd relish.

How often did a guy impose on Rocky like that? Not often. In all honesty, I don't think I'd take that fight cheap. I'd probably actually try to slim down a bit, rather than bulk up, to try to get more rounds out of this body. Practice my counter right hands: It's a good punch for me, rather crisp and powerful. If I hurt Rock, it'd be with that, I'd imagine. Taking his head off with my hook would be plan be, but I'd need to take it out sparingly. I'd need to jab, hard and often, and move, which is tiring.

Rocky would hound me every step of the way. He'd hit me a lot, I'd imagine. It'd hurt. I don't always punch as straight as I should, so his crouch would probably throw me off too.

Given my experience with Foreman, Holyfield, and Tua, and the relative success I managed to have against them in and out of the gym, I think I'd offer Rocky an argument, personally. I'd have my ways to win that fight. I wouldn't tell my friends and family to go to Vegas on it, though; The guy is a legend with no quit in him who threw shots for days, the second part being the type of guy I sorta struggle with, to be honest. I feel that is as respectful as I can be of a boxing icon I really do respect: I think I'd give him a puzzle to solve, and I think a fight with me would really let him show off what made him great. It'd be a showcase for one of us, that's for sure, and I suppose it's more likely it'd be for him than for me.

I know what it's like to fight a smaller sort of dude who brought big pressure and good power. Nothing on Rocky's level, mind you, this guy wasn't that single-minded or tough in the end, but it was an interesting experience, a surefire challenge. I got the guy out of there late in the fight, but it took me a long time to find the shots I needed to really take it out of him and take over. I'm not convinced it'd matter to Rocky if I found those shots. Wobbly legged, nose hanging off his face, Marciano still FOUGHT like an animal. Given that experience, I think if I signed for this fight, it'd be a pie in the sky sort of fight. One I'd take for the chance and the challenge, but not one I'd guarantee I'd win. I don't have Wlad's skill at range, his jab, his stamina(He's a world class athlete, and I just never did figure out conditioning like he did), and I frankly didn't like to hold, so I wouldn't have a lot of the edges he would.

Assuming we're discussing me in my early 30's, late 20's, of course. Now, I'm an old ass man, and he'd put it on me. I wouldn't even take the fight. Nobody needs those problems.

 

This is the first time anybody has ever said this about me on these forums that I can recall, who wasn't related to me or sleeping with a cousin of mine or some ****.

You know this makes you and me blood brothers, right? My wolf pack has one more canine.

 

Thats a good point and was touched upon 50 or so pages back but has been conviently ignored since......If Wlads size is the only deciding factor then it stands to reason Louis and to a lesser extent Prime Tyson must not stand a chance either........