Wlad's holding is illegal

Yep. Pretty disgusting fight all around.

 

Yep, he holds. Floyd uses forearms, ducks low etc, Hopkins uses elbows, his heads, rabbit punches etc... the list goes on.

It's a fight in there, find a strategy to cope with it!

 

and Mormeck is Haye's best win lol

 

watch at 9:05 m mark

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W83KOA18Gaw[/ame]

 

So, was the holding that bad? Like, worse than what he normally does?

 

It was bad but Mormeck was getting dominated badly, I don't think he literally landed more than 10 shots, so it didn't make a difference really.

 

Yeah, I can see that. But the critics don't. They just view Wlad as a guy that doesn't need to resort to constant infringements against guys that have no hope of winning to begin with. Yeah, sure, Mormeck was getting dominated badly, but then why do you have to hold and wrestle him? (Is what they, the critics, are saying)

 

Even the German crowd were booing within a round

It was embarassing

 

Agree. Ref's worldwide almost never make a big deal of clinching, unless it is sustained over rounds and is clearly ruining the fight. OP doesn't know his boxing.

Generally, a good ref will let the guys fight their way out of a clinch, then intervene. Again, a warning or point deduction is rare unless the holding is continuous for many rounds, and ruins the fight.

 

Sure he was getting dominated. But can imagine what would have happened if this fight were held in Paris?

If this fight took place in Paris, with French officials, Mormeck would have won rounds 1 and 3, just for moving forward. Vlad would have had a point deducted for holding in round 2, which would have nullified the advantage of his knockdown.

French officials are disgraces.

 

Now that you mention it, I don't know that I've ever seen a clinch in a boxing match...thanks for pointing that out.

 

Your opponents are correct in this debate. Ali and Holmes held as much. As for holding, it's technically wrong, but it is in a grey area of legality because it's so hard to see who is initiating the holding, who is counterholding, etc. The best way to deal with the holding is to give the guys a chance to fight their way out first.

Don't overlook that Mormeck contributed to the problem by using his elbows and forearms to ram Vlad's chest (another tactic in a grey area of legality). That didn't leave Vlad many options in return.

You might consider staying on the sidelines of this thread while the rest of us discuss it intelligently.

 

the german crowd was pissed after round 1 caused mormeck made no attempt to fight. he was just ducking from under to get inside at wlads chest then threw nothing at him and wlad tied him up.
Wlad has no inside game but im not putting all the blame on him here, he finally was throwing the left hook a lot again and finished the job nicely early.

 

Mormeck was half the problem because he rams foward with forearms and elbows against the bigger man's chest, which is in a grew area of legality. It's not sensible to blame Vlad for the holding.

 

No it wasn't. Mormeck was practically giving Wlad no option by running under him every time they broke up basically..