Working on My alltime list.

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  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Was actually in reference to Frank Erne pea, who was lightweight champ at the time.

    I give McGovern no credit for the Gans farce. That was clearly a fake.

    McGovern, much like Tyson just had that air of invincibility for a while and was ripping through the divisions. Like Tyson's reign though, McGovern's was short and he didn't accumulate the depth of resume that someone like Attell did, who faced everyone, even though he would drop the occasional decision here and there.
     
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  2. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not sure if the fight was a dive, I just felt McGoven caught Gans, which can happen imo. Add in no nc rule, and the odds goes more in McGoven's favor if he knock Gans down.
     
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  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It looked fake on film imo, and when seen against the backdrop of how good Gans' chin was against naturally bigger guys than McGovern, it becomes pretty hard to believe that Terry whipped him like that.
     
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  4. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I just dont see if it was a dive, Gans would keep getting up for more of tha smack down from WWE style talking. Its not like McGoven was a feather fisted hitter. If he hits you clean, he will hurt you. And he did catch Gans clean plenty of times, when Gans trying to get up. I just think he caught Gans cold, in the same way Carter caught Emile Griffith cold. It happens. Not saying McGoven can repeat it again or something, but in the old days one knockdown could turn the tide because of the lack of a certain rule.

    I belive say Jess Willard had far much better had Dempsey been force to back off, and give Willard time to get up.
     
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  5. mcvey

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    I think I would have found room for Bob Foster ,but it's a good list ,we will all differ where we place them ,but no real anomalies there.
     
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  6. WhataRock

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    Its been drilled into my brain because someone suggested to me years ago how underrated he was and how he thought he was top 30 alltime.
    Ive since seen thats a bit drastic and uncalled for but whenever I think top 50 I want to slot Terry in towards the end..Maybe thats up for review.

    Im putting Attell in the 50-60 range.
     
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  7. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Bob is sitting on 58 as we speak..So Im glad that Im only just missing out on these guys people are suggesting anyway.

    Just didnt think Bob beat the people to have him ranked above Johnson for example.


    Thanks for the replies everyone.
     
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  8. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Where is a fair placement for Dave Holly by the way?
     
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  9. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    This is a draft for my next portion up to 70

    51. Jack Johnson
    52. Dick Tiger
    53. Abe Attell
    54. Holman Williams
    55. Wilfred Benitez
    56. Carlos Zarate
    57. Floyd Mayweather Jnr
    58. Bob Foster
    59. Jack “Kid” Berg
    60. Packey McFarland
    61. Lou Ambers
    62. Jim Driscoll
    63. Stanley Ketchel
    64. Dave Holly
    65. Kid Chocolate
    66. Miguel Canto
    67. Azumah Nelson
    69. Mike McCallum
    70. Manuel Ortiz

    Something doesnt sit right about it :huh But Im struggling to think who Im missing and who is getting ranked to high.
     
    WhataRock, Jan 18, 2009
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  10. WhataRock

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    Where does Fritzie Zivic belong? Top 50, Top 100, just outside. :think
     
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  11. asero

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    monzon and harada is too high
     
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  12. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Where would you place them?

    I have Carlos there because I reckon he could beat just about every middleweight Ive seen on film, his resume is also outstanding there.. And it is one of the deepest divisions ever.
     
    WhataRock, Jan 18, 2009
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  13. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As usual, no Packey McFarland...
     
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  14. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ive got him at 64* at the moment in the rest of my unfinished list.

    Im starting to think its a bit low but I only just got to him and Im still tweaking it. Britton is about 15 places behind him at the moment.

    Its harder then I thought...Its hard deciding who to put in and who to leave out.

    Edit Decided to move him up some places..makes it into the top 70 now.
     
    WhataRock, Jan 18, 2009
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  15. asero

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    you put him there merely bec of speculation?
     
    asero, Jan 18, 2009
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