Worst ever UFC title challenger?

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  1. Stoo

    Stoo Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yeah it's not as if a guy who's lost over half his 9 defeats by submission has shitty sub defence is it

    I mean you swear Brian had lost more fights than he won...
     
  2. mckay_89

    mckay_89 Haw you! Full Member

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    Then thing is BK, that no-ones really ridiculing Aoki for these wins. They're ridiculing you for using these wins, against no better than decent opposition, as your reasoning for Aoki being a pound for pound fighter and the best lightweight on the planet. You wouldn't take half as much **** as you do for being an Aoki fan if you weren't ******ed enough to try to claim stuff like this, because a blind spastic could see he's not the best in the world and he's never done anything in his career to suggest he is. He's a good fighter with excellent ground skills, but that's it. He was humiliated against Melendez and hasn't fought any of the other top guys about right now.
     
  3. Beekeeper

    Beekeeper Bedtime Story, Aoki Style Full Member

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    Whoa, whoa, where am I using those wins to make Aoki's claim as a P4P fighter? Those wins do not make his top 10, maybe you should look at the way he took care of Alvarez, an accomlished fighter in his own right before you say that he has not fought anyone of significance, and Alvarez is just to start.

    The other side is people like you who use the Melendez fight to claim that Aoki would not even be a UFC contender. Aoki clearly did not look comfortable in his environment, and was tossed in with maybe the best LW around. You want to claim Aoki was at his best in that fight, go ahead,
     
  4. mckay_89

    mckay_89 Haw you! Full Member

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    I've seen your lightweight rankings where you put Aoki at no. 1. Maybe I was presumptuous about your p4p list but I imagined that if have him ranked as no. 1 at 155lbs you would have him in your pound for pound list.

    Regarding the Melendez fight; I think that considering the level of complete domination by Gilbert, even if Aoki wasn't at his best it still didn't really matter. The fight wasn't close in the slightest. Also, I never said he wouldn't be at all competetive in the UFC and would probably have him in my top 10 at 155lbs, I would say at lightweight my rankings would be:

    Melendez
    Edgar
    Maynard
    Henderson

    These 4 are clearly above the rest in my opinion. After that I have:

    Guida
    Guillard
    Pettis
    Cerrone
    Miller
    Aoki
    Diaz

    All of these guys are top fighters and could make up the remainder of the top 10. I just don't see any reason why Aoki should automatically be above any of these fighters.
     
  5. Ne5ville14

    Ne5ville14 Rationalist by default... Full Member

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    I know I'm prolly going to be the only one with that opinion but I'm gonna say.....Brock Lesnar.

    Title shot with only 3 pro fight under his belt, 1 win against Kim Min-Soo, 1 loss against Mir and 1 win via decision against Heath Hearring.
     
  6. Beekeeper

    Beekeeper Bedtime Story, Aoki Style Full Member

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    Well the reason I have him as high as I do is his resume and also the degree to witch he can dominate the ring at his best, his making his opponents helpless is exhibited by few fighters in MMA.

    Just look at this list of current and former champs and name a fighter at 155 that has a better resume than this, in addition to the way he finished his opponents in a lot of these fights:

    JZ Calvan - Hero's Champ
    Hirota - Sengoku Champ
    Hansen - Dream Champ
    Alvarez - Bellator Champ after they fought
    Vitor Rebeiro - Cage Rage Champ
    Caol Uno - former Shooto Champ
    Kawajiri - former Shooto Champ
     
  7. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    patrick cote
     
  8. Lynchburg

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    Patrick Cote or Dan Hardy :deal

    Lynchburg
     
  9. Hookercut

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  10. codeman99998

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    I agree Patrick Cote...

    This thread is not about Aoki.
     
  11. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Travis Luter
     
  12. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Hardy has to be the worse. He got a title shot on beating C fighters at best and then lost his next 3 bouts!
     
  13. Primate

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    Based purely on their performances leading up to the fight, and not on any subsequent performances, it's pretty hard to argue against Matt Serra, Travis Lutter and Dan Hardy
     
  14. Primate

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    Although, the Lutter fight wasn't technically a title fight.
     
  15. Ai-edy2007

    Ai-edy2007 STOCKTON 209 MOTHER****ER Full Member

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    dan hardy.