Worst robbery? Leonard-Hearns II or Holyfield-Lewis I?

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  1. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    There's a quote in Red Dwarf that often reminds me of you. When Lister say to Rimmer "You have no magnificence in your soul".
     
  2. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    You'll find fewer penalties are given at Anfield probably.



    All's it proved is that knighthoods are handed out to any Tom, Dick and Hoy these days.
     
  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It is only going to work for certain fights and certain fighters. My argument is what is the reason to score a close-ish fight to the lesser known or lesser fighter (potential wise), if it ruins potential bigger paydays for a potential superstar?

    Take Bowe/Tubbs; there was no point giving the benefit of any doubt to Tubbs, because:

    A) It gives an ugly and one on the then hottest prospect in the Heavyweight division. B) You just know Tubbs you probably lost to Coetzer in the final eliminator. C) Anyway, who was going to pay top dollar to watch Holyfield/Tubbs or Holyfield/Coetzer in late 1992? D) You are helping Tubbs, by not given him another big payday that he would blow up his nose!

    Take Chavez/Whitaker, a draw was good for everyone because:

    A) King was making huge money and decent publicity by selling the march to 100-0 of Chavez B) Chavez was an exciting Mexican superstar, who's style was getting over to the mainstream audience. C) Whitaker may of been an excellent fighter, but he had an awful personality and his style was not marketable. D) The draw gave Whitaker a hard luck story that helped sell him in future big fights.
     
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    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  5. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Three Olympic golds in one games is a fair achievement IMO, but you do have a very, very good point.
     
  6. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Lewis beat Holyfield by miles.... Leonard-Hearns II was a close fight IMO.

    People always point to the 2 KDs that Hearns scored as if to say `how could Tommy possibly lose with 2 10-8 rds in the bag`.... people forget that SRL scored a 10-8 rd in rd 5 without a KD which cancels out 1 of those big rds for Tommy, so really Hearns had the benefit of ONE 10-8 rd & they more or less split the other rds that were not 10-8 rds.

    Close fight, Ray also had a big last rd but I scored that one 10-9 as Tommy started that rd on fire.

    :good
     
  7. Ponysmallhorse

    Ponysmallhorse Small but proud Full Member

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    Every recent Valuev fights is a robbery. And not just for sports but for brain too:).
    but for my experience most disappointing robbery was Spinks holmes 2:(((
     
  8. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Leonard and Hearns was close, a few people argue it a draw. I thought Hearns earned the win, but I was not a judge at ringside. Judges do not have the luxury of a rewind button. If a judge looses concentration, and misses something crucial in a round, that judge still has to award points at that round's end. It is a little easier to forgive bad scoring in a close encounter.

    Lewis vs Holyfield is an entirely different story. Holyfield put up a much better fight in their 2nd fight, and still very few have that fight a draw. The first fight was no where near close.
     
  9. SgrRyLeonard

    SgrRyLeonard Active Member Full Member

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    Lewis-Holyfield I is one of the biggest robberies in boxing history. Although I thought Hearns won the 2nd fight by a point or two, It was a very close fight and you could at least make a case for a draw. Holyfield did absolutely nothing against Lewis in the first fight to make a draw plausible.
     
  10. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Leonard vs Hearns II was actually a pretty close fight.

    Lewis vs Holyfield I wasn't close. AT ALL!

    The second was fairly close but I had Lewis clearly ahead, 116-112. I scored the first fight 118-111.
     
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    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    But it's still not right, sport is meant to be competitive, it's not wrestling. Bad decisions have put loads of people off boxing and it's the main reason for people I know who don't watch it any more.




    The draw ended the march to 100-0. :huh

    It didn't help Chavez at all by the way, the international media felt it was bogus and then there was even more digging at Chavez's previous record, especially the early defeat, which was reversed. You're obviously remembering it wrong just like you remebered you watched it live. :good




    So give him the win then, which he deserved, thus increasing his market value.



    Well give him the loss then, making Chavez still on the road to 100-0 and Whitaker an even bigger hard luck story. A defeat wouldn't have harmed Chavez at all so long as he has the rematch. It never happened becaue he didn't really want it.


    And where was the rematch anyway because that's what you were going on about earlier with the Lewis-Holy fight being a draw.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    Nelson - Fenech and Leonard - Hagler should not even be mentioned in the same paragraph. Fenech's aggression was infinitely more effective and the simple fact is that it is a blatant robbery, no if's no but's.

    The minor majority thought SRL won, you are possibly the only human being i have ever seen thinking Fenech - Nelson was fair.
     
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  15. Robbi

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    Just a quick note on Lewis Holyfield II. I can't believe some scored that fight for Holyfield. He did give a better effort in the second half of the rematch, but I thought Lewis still won without question.