Would Ali Have Promised A Rematch and then Ducked It?

JeanPaulValley · Jul 30, 2012

FelixTrinidad said: ↑

All you do is troll, I actaully broke down his career.

If you wanan talk ****, and if you hate Lewis that much. Break down the wins I broke down, and explain how all those fighters were ****.

Lennox Lewis
Undisputed Champion
Only Modern HW to have retired with no unavenged defeats
Beat every man he ever faced.

Some Notable Wins
Gary Mason- Huge under rated win for the young Lion.
Lennox only had 15 fights and he fought a undefeated champion in
Gary Mason. Lewis was a 15 fight novice and knocked Mason out.
Most 15 fight prospects these days are fighting Mall Cops

Razer Ruddock
Took a semi prime Tyson to the deep end twice.
Tyson said 'Ruddock punch like a mule kick'. Ruddock was the most feared
puncher in the division and nobody outside of Tyson wanted him.
Ruddock dominated Phil Jackson and Gary Page prior to the Lewis bout and was considered a favorite. Lennox knocked him out in 2 rounds and effectively ruined Ruddock's Career.

Frank Bruno
Lewis was behind on the cards, but like a true champion came back and knocked Bruno out.

Dominated Tommy Morrison

Forced to fight in a tiny ring against Prime Ray Mercer, and couldn't move at all, but still clearly won the fight 7-3, according to most boxing experts.
Tough lil scrap, but Lewis prevailed.

Andrew Golota
Golota was the original Klitscho, strong, big, tough, and just came off
back to back destruction beat downs of a semi prime Riddick Bowe.
Lewis was a big under dog. Golota was the 'next big thing'. Lewis knocked Golota out in 40 seconds.

Shannon Briggs
Prime Briggs, Lewis slapped him around and knocked him out.
Vitali 10 years later, couldn't knock old man river Briggs out, and went the distance.

Holyfield-
Dominated Holyfield. Won 10 Rounds to 2. Was robbed and the fight declared a draw.
Beat him again, in less stellar fashion the 2nd time.
Overall though Lewis won a total of 18/24 Rounds against Holyfield.

Holyfield had several 'prime stretches'. Against Lewis, he wasn't in his full prime but still elite.

Michael Grant-The next great hype. He was a 6'8 MONSTER, and HBO said he was the real deal. He was. He was big, he was strong, he was an athletic freak of nature. He carried all the hopes and futures of the American Heavyweight hope on his shoulders.
Lennox almost broke his legs.
George Foreman even said 'WOW, WOW LENNOX DONE BROKE HIS LEGS'

Grant was ruined.

David Tua- Massive Puncher, 2nd behind Tyson at the time. Surreal punching power. People said 'Tua's punches can kill you' and they could. Lewis toyed with him, winning 12-0. At the end, Lewis even made Tua hit the lamp post.

Mike Tyson- Ok ya, Mike was beyond shot, but he still had surreal one punch KO Power. In fact, I say Mike's one punch KO Power when he was older is STRONGER then when he was younger. Nevertheless, I admit Mike was shot, but Lennox was old too.

Vitali- Semi retired, old, fat,un motivated, and under trained Lennox Lewis lost the first 2 rounds to a Prime Vitali, but came back strong, ripped his face wide open, and had Vitali hanging on for dear life in the 6th after eating a old Lewis Upper cut (a prime Lewis would have followed that upper cut with a Roy Jones Jr like combo)

Doctor saved Vitali's career and life, ended the fight.
Tko6 of the '2nd best from the next era'

Lennox had two losses.
But realistically he had one.
He made the count for Mc Call. The ref was corrupt, even HBO said
the ref is corrupt. Lennox might have recovered, he might not have, but bottom line. He should have been given the chance.

Rahman- Lewis was probably drugged.

It don't matter. In the rematches, he made Mc Call cry and killed Rahman with beautiful 1-2 combo.

Lennox avenged all his defeats. Like a true champion.
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I dont know anything about this Gary Mason. I guess it was just some bum that Lewis fought instead of coming to America to fight anyone good.

Razor Ruddock,I admit that Ruddock was a good solid fighter. Decent win yes.
I dont think Lewis ruined his career considering Ruddock said he was coming back to fight Klitschko. He has no chcnae at beating them but still...

Frank Bruno was a mentally unstable rabid punching British bum. A decent win but nothing too great.

Tommy Morrison had a bad chin. Was on drugs and partied way too much and was also HIV positive. Great win? Not really no.

Ray Mercer was previously beaten by Old Larry Holmes. And Lewis had trouble with Mercer. Mercer smashed Lewis up pretty good and even wanted a rematch where all fight proceeds would go to charity but Lewis refused.-***** move

Golota was another mentally unstable idiot who quit against Tyson and was one punch Ko'd by Lamon Brewster. Not a great win but an OK win.No big deal.

Shannon Briggs had a fractured hand and torn tendon for the Lewis fight (proven) and he even almost put Lewis to sleep. Lewis beat up a guy with one arm. OK yeah sure. It was a win. Not Lennox fault that Briggs was hurt.

Dominating an Old Holyfield means nothing. Lewis saw Holyfield strggle with Vaugh Bean and Ruiz and said "Holyfield looked like a has been." Why fight an old fighter who looked shot? Why struggle with him? Prime Holyfield stops Lewis in 7.

Grant was 6'7 not 6'8. He was an HBO hype job. He wasnt anything special so no need to brag. It was an easy win over a kid who was outclassed. Grant wasnt an ATG. Meaningless win.

Tua was his best win. I admit this was a boxing clinic. But Tua was not a HW champ and has never been a champ. Tua was a very good fighter and it was a good win for Lewis. Best win right there.

Meaningless win over an out of shape,washed up,drug addicted Tyson.

Vitali,an arm punching steroid using quitter. Vitali was handled by Chris Byrd.
Lewis win over this bum Vitali was clearly circumstantial. It was pure luck.
Lewis beat him though and I give him credit. Decent win on paper but upon further inspection it wasnt special. There should have been a rematch.
Lewis promised a rematch and then retired.-***** move.

And the fact that you think Lewis was drugged against Rahman was laughable and amazingly stupid. Lewis got caught flush and lay down and got counted out like a chump. No other ATG gets KO'd twice in his prime. Floyd Patterson had a bad chin but at least he tried to get up.

turbotime · Jul 30, 2012

Hands of Iron said: ↑

He's a Top 3 ATG Heavyweight.
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:hi:

FrochFan · Jul 30, 2012

"Promise" I lol everytime I hear this loaded word. Show me the video or audio where he gives anything close to a Promise.

Also this is boxing not fcking kindergarden. Vitali crying about a promise is the most childish pathetic sh*t Ive ever seen in this sport.

Hands of Iron · Jul 30, 2012

turbotime said: ↑

:hi:
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Seriously. I'm not even a fan, but I have a post history littered with comments talking about what a Beast Lewis was. Even pick him to beat Peak Tyson two out of three for ****'s sake.

timagen · Jul 30, 2012

FelixTrinidad said: ↑

I'm pretty fair and un bias.

I managed to break down Lennox's wins

Lennox Lewis
Undisputed Champion
Only Modern HW to have retired with no unavenged defeats
Beat every man he ever faced.

Some Notable Wins
Gary Mason- Huge under rated win for the young Lion.
Lennox only had 15 fights and he fought a undefeated champion in
Gary Mason. Lewis was a 15 fight novice and knocked Mason out.
Most 15 fight prospects these days are fighting Mall Cops

Razer Ruddock
Took a semi prime Tyson to the deep end twice.
Tyson said 'Ruddock punch like a mule kick'. Ruddock was the most feared
puncher in the division and nobody outside of Tyson wanted him.
Ruddock dominated Phil Jackson and Gary Page prior to the Lewis bout and was considered a favorite. Lennox knocked him out in 2 rounds and effectively ruined Ruddock's Career.

Frank Bruno
Lewis was behind on the cards, but like a true champion came back and knocked Bruno out.

Dominated Tommy Morrison

Forced to fight in a tiny ring against Prime Ray Mercer, and couldn't move at all, but still clearly won the fight 7-3, according to most boxing experts.
Tough lil scrap, but Lewis prevailed.

Andrew Golota
Golota was the original Klitscho, strong, big, tough, and just came off
back to back destruction beat downs of a semi prime Riddick Bowe.
Lewis was a big under dog. Golota was the 'next big thing'. Lewis knocked Golota out in 40 seconds.

Shannon Briggs
Prime Briggs, Lewis slapped him around and knocked him out.
Vitali 10 years later, couldn't knock old man river Briggs out, and went the distance.

Holyfield-
Dominated Holyfield. Won 10 Rounds to 2. Was robbed and the fight declared a draw.
Beat him again, in less stellar fashion the 2nd time.
Overall though Lewis won a total of 18/24 Rounds against Holyfield.

Holyfield had several 'prime stretches'. Against Lewis, he wasn't in his full prime but still elite.

Michael Grant-The next great hype. He was a 6'8 MONSTER, and HBO said he was the real deal. He was. He was big, he was strong, he was an athletic freak of nature. He carried all the hopes and futures of the American Heavyweight hope on his shoulders.
Lennox almost broke his legs.
George Foreman even said 'WOW, WOW LENNOX DONE BROKE HIS LEGS'

Grant was ruined.

David Tua- Massive Puncher, 2nd behind Tyson at the time. Surreal punching power. People said 'Tua's punches can kill you' and they could. Lewis toyed with him, winning 12-0. At the end, Lewis even made Tua hit the lamp post.

Mike Tyson- Ok ya, Mike was beyond shot, but he still had surreal one punch KO Power. In fact, I say Mike's one punch KO Power when he was older is STRONGER then when he was younger. Nevertheless, I admit Mike was shot, but Lennox was old too.

Vitali- Semi retired, old, fat,un motivated, and under trained Lennox Lewis lost the first 2 rounds to a Prime Vitali, but came back strong, ripped his face wide open, and had Vitali hanging on for dear life in the 6th after eating a old Lewis Upper cut (a prime Lewis would have followed that upper cut with a Roy Jones Jr like combo)

Doctor saved Vitali's career and life, ended the fight.
Tko6 of the '2nd best from the next era'

Lennox had two losses.
But realistically he had one.
He made the count for Mc Call. The ref was corrupt, even HBO said
the ref is corrupt. Lennox might have recovered, he might not have, but bottom line. He should have been given the chance.

Rahman- Lewis was probably drugged.

It don't matter. In the rematches, he made Mc Call cry and killed Rahman with beautiful 1-2 combo.

Lennox avenged all his defeats. Like a true champion.
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I've seen this before. Are you the Lewis' fans answer tho Vladimir 23?

Anyway...
It was not a corrupt ref. The ref caught Lewis and saved him from falling on his face. It also was not a lucky shot; McCall called the shot on his stool between the first and second round. Remember him saying, "I'm going to look for the short right hand?"

bballchump11 · Jul 30, 2012

Lewis at his worse beat a prime Vitali

TKO6

JeanPaulValley · Jul 30, 2012

timagen said: ↑

I've seen this before. Are you the Lewis' fans answer tho Vladimir 23?

Anyway...
It was not a corrupt ref. The ref caught Lewis and saved him from falling on his face. It also was not a lucky shot; McCall called the shot on his stool between the first and second round. Remember him saying, "I'm going to look for the short right hand?"
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Yeah this FelixTrinidad guy is the Lewis version of Vlad23. He also said Lewis was drugged when he got one punch Ko'd by Rahman.

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