Would Kenny Norton Have Maybe Troubled Fury?

Clearly BS. I timestamped the relevant action and all the timestamps are up close.

GEE, ummm, well, I dunno, maybe because WALLIN HIMSELF said this and I already posted it earlier? Highlighted in yellow for your reading pleasure:

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1) That's still fighting on the inside. If Wallin's smothering and controlling the action then it means that the other guy is being forced into inactivity on the inside and being forced to fight Wallin's fight at range
2) He did throw punches up close and he was effective. I timestamped it.

BS. See Wallin's comments. Norton has never been mauled by a guy as big as Fury.

He's also 25lb smaller

I'm not even going to try and decipher that word salad. If you're making the argument Norton could survive flush punches from AJ you are delusional.

 

You're timestamps posts show smothering and Wallin boxing. That's not the kind of relevant close range work I'm referring too

There is no risk taking it to Wallin then, you're probably not going to get hurt or get forced to work and defend if you're trying to get into punching range against Wallin. Norton probably hits harder than wallin too with a much higher KO ratio I'm not ruling it out

Wallin wasn't tired enough and his stamina isn't as great as Nortons. Look at the punch stats. Wallins output was more consistent throughout the fight. Fury exerted everything and was the one who ended up slowing down and got hurt in the final round. Norton kept his guard high when he was on the ropes and Fury has been troubled by plenty of 6'3 fighters and small heavyweights. It wasn't 1 way traffic then and it won't be here

aj wouldn't do any better than Foreman, actually Foreman would knock him out too

 

Yeah - in the pocket and up close.

LMFAO did you see Breazeale's face at the end of it? Maybe you didn't recognise him, because Wallin rearranged it for him.

Opinion. Entirely opinion.

Fury trained half assed for that one as he so often does for "easy" guys. But we are assuming a peak version of Fury.

... likes to throw body punches? Yes he does, and he's effective with them too. Not good for small man Norton.

Actually AJ could knock Foreman out as well.

 

I mean, a guy the size of Norton just ragdolled Fury around the ring and beat him convincingly, and Norton was great against non-punchers. He might have a shot.

Comparisons to Fury's fight with Wilder are absurd. Norton on his worst night was a far superior boxer (clearly, not puncher) than Wilder on his best night.

This is one of the best matchups of current big name HW's for Norton. Throw him in against Dubois, Zhang, or Bakole, and it's going to be really ugly. But Fury? Parker? Hrgovic? He might well be able to take all three.

 

What does face Breazeales prove, Wallin not exchanging at close range doesn't mean he wasn't boxing and pot shotting. Facial injuries aren't even indicative of punching power, Breazeale was never hurt.

Like always, we're always using peak versions and that doesn't stop anyone in this thread criticizing bad performances. Assuming both are prime I see it going similar to Norton/Ali because that's who Fury resembles the most stylistically except he's much bigger, much slower and not nearly as durable. Norton can box an agressive Fury if he needs too, and Norton is a superior technician in the inside anyway

Based on punch stats and performance. Norton fought more rounds and generally threw more punches per round.

Body punching opens him up for counters, and vice versa, but Norton used plenty of head movement and the cross guard coming forward which is why boxers found him so difficult to keep off. He can cut the ring too. Norton has been hurt multiple times besides the fights he's lost, and maintained composer via defense.

It's not the likely outcome Foreman could actually take a punch and doesn't mentally overheat when faced with adversity

 

He was exchanging at close range I time stamped it.

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Man I get confused between Fury and Ali all the time. Two peas in a pod. I mean, if you sort of glommed two Ali's together that is.

You should have seen me when I fought those 30 midgets. I had stamina for days I tell you.

which is why body punches would be effective against him. Correct.

Wanna see Lyle knock him on his ass?

 

Only happened for 2 seconds. 99% of the fight he was on the backfoot potshotting or smothering which is my point.

About as effective as Nortons own body punches would be

Lyle took some big shots, we know for a fact joshuas not going to be there. I saw aj get smashed by Ruiz and almost go to sleep by the first punch Dubois landed

 

Absurd exaggeration. Wallin tried to keep the fight at range (and managed most of the time) but let's not pretend that he didn't fight effectively inside because he did when he had to.

Well, the difference would be a 210lb guy and a 275lb guy smashing you in the body.

Joshua has knocked out bigger guys than 70s Foreman.

 

But no one nearly as good and he's chinny Foreman would walk him down and destroy him lol. Mismatch

Fury is not a big puncher. Never has been and never will be. He struggles to turn his punches over in combinations anyway

By tying up and blocking there was virtually 0 counter punching, body punching on the inside, exchanges etc. Breazeale was in no real danger taking it to Wallin which is the entire point. There should be no argument here. Unloading short combinations is not in Wallins arsenal, yet he was still taking it to Fury for several rounds

 

That's your opinion. AJ is bigger than Lyle and hits harder. He'd have finished the job.

His KO% of 70% tells me that YDKSAB

Wallin turned his face to hamburger INCLUDING up close and you obviously don't know what you are looking at.

 

Still hugging ajs nuts as usual. Hilarious stuff. Foreman hands him his 5th L and his 3rd KO loss

 

I agree with @BCS8 that it's harder to have the stamina to fight a 260 pound opponent than a 220 pound one, but leaving that aside for a bit, let me ask both of you:

@BCS8, what fight(s) do you think showcase the stamina you'd expect a fully trained, peak Fury to show against Norton?

@MarkusFlorez99, what fight(s) showcase a peak Norton's expected stamina against Fury?

 

To answer your 2nd question I think Norton vs Ali in the 1st fight he broke Ali's jaw and was beating him up in the later rounds and didn't look tired at all.

Also whilst Norton wasn't at his absolute peak vs Holmes I think he showed very good stamina in that fight aswell and came on strong in the 2nd half of the fight plus it was 15 rounds.

 

Norton is throwing 600+ punches, surely it's Fury who struggles with the pace more even if he uses roughhouse tactics, didnt even throw 500 against Usyk. Wilder/Fury 3 was considered a war and he only only threw 400.

Norton vs Ali 2 was a pretty good showing to answer your question and his overhand right will find Fury throughout the bout

 

Wilder also doesn't throw alot of punches either he looks for single shots.

For example let's look at the punchstats for Wilder in the fights where he was competitive vs Fury in fights 1 and 3.

In fight 1 the most punches Wilder threw in a single round was 46 he was averaging between 35-40 punches thrown a round. Even Fury threw alot less the most punches he threw in a single round was only 39 and he was averaging between 25-30 punches thrown a round which is a very low out put.

In fight 3 which is considered a war Wilder threw less than 30 punches in 8 of the 11 rounds, Fury himself threw less than 40 punches in 7 of the 11 rounds.

So what that does tells us is that Fury isn't fighting at a hectic pace and he wouldn't be able to fight at such a pace like Norton vs Holmes was for example.

The main reason Usyk took over against Fury in the 2nd half of their fight is simply because Fury didn't have the cardio to live with the smaller more skillful fighter with a better engine.