I have no problem with this...and in complete agreement with the highlighted portions. What I was referring to in the past posts was the assumption/insinuation that LaMotta could have done better...Maybe...Maybe not...He HAD the chance to, or perhaps he should have came in over weight and forfeited the title. The show would have went on either way in Chicago. But which is it??? The announcer on the live broadcast said that LaMotta had sparred more rounds for preparation in this fight than he had ever done...Facts are facts, and Robinson stopped LaMotta.
It might have been as good but I doubt it was better than LaMotta`s. Hagler did have a better defense so he didn`t take as many clean punches.
I believe SRR could win a clear points decision against DT...wouldn't KO him, though. Tiger just too strong of a MW.
dp, I don't have to "spin" anything to impress you or anyone else on this site. Why the hell should I? I remember so damn vividly the scuttlebutt from the bookmakers and boxing people at Stillman's Gym insisting that LaMotta was having great trouble making weight as he was said to be 10 pounds overweight just prior to the bout and these TIPS turned out to be true, whether dp you like it or not..LaMotta was not one of my favorites so why should I have a need to tell an untruth on ESP SIXTY FIVE years later ? And why if what I 'Spinned" this info on ESB wasn't accurate, why didn't SRR stop LaMotta in their previous 4 fights ?. The fact is many writers after the fight mentioned that the Robinson camp knowing the trouble LaMotta had draining much weight off him to make 160 lbs, devised a strategy where Robby would not go "all out " until later in the bout as LaMotta was weakening, but holding his own until the late rounds when Robinson went all out as he did against Randy Turpin, and battered the weakening Bronx Bull with a tremendous flurry of punches that made the referee stop the fight. Not long after this bout LaMotta fought LHs soon before he retired...Matter of fact LaMotta STARTED his career as a lightheavyweight, but as anyone knows a fighter puts on weight near the ends of his career. Thus did LaMotta find it difficult to take excess poundage off for the last fight with Robinson..
Not disagreeing with Burt but just the reference to Robinson coasting some of those rounds was amusing. Not saying he didn`t take his foot off the gas pedal for a few rounds. Just compared to some of the "championship" fights today if that was coasting these guys today need to have their pulse checked.
dp, what got my "ire" up was your term "spin" ,meaning sometime ago I willingly posted a "weight draining "bogus story of LaMotta struggling to lose weight just before his tko loss to Ray Robinson, the greatest fighter I ever saw ringside...The truth is by no means SPIN...ciao.
I do not disagree at all that LaMotta had difficulty taking the weight off for that fight...and also would not dispute Robinson fought LaMotta accordingly to get him in the later rounds...My own eyes can tell me that. But the date WAS set for the fight, LaMotta was aware of that. LaMotta knew the fight WAS for 160 lbs for the championship. LaMotta had sparred 100 rounds according to the announcer of the live call. LaMotta had time to prepare, and apparently did with the sparring, but didn't with the weight cut. You have posted your take on the "weight drain" several times, making it seem like Robinson was stipulating a catch weight...it was a championship fight at the middleweight limit. Your posts emphasizing the ONLY the weight cut, and not the LACK of preparedness on the part of LaMotta can be taken as a spin...and it was called as such.