Would u consider Oscar De La Hoya an ATG?

Who has Floyd beaten to be an ATG?, what about Hopkins?, JCC?

DLH beat JCC, Sweet Pea (both not prime but still very good) Vargas, SSM, Tito etc....

 

JCC and Sweet Pea were ole ass men.

Vargas was nothing but a stale Trinidad leftover.

Shane and Tito both have a big "L" next to them on ole Fishnets' record. Stop playing crazy.

So AGAIN I ask, exactly WHO did ole Fishnets beat to be considered an ATG?

 

Do you consider Tito to be an ATG?


Look, it's easy to tear down basically ANYBODY's resume by sprinkling a bit of hatorade. Oscar is an ATG whether you like it or not.

 

Who has Floyd, JCC, Hopkins beaten?

Who has Dempsey beaten?

Who has L. Lewis beaten?

Who has RJJ beaten , a green Hopkins? or a weight drained Toney? and a lot of bums? (not my thoughts)

 

AGAIN I ask, exactly WHO did ole Fishnets beat to be considered an ATG?

 

And you STILL have not answered the question.

 

DLH beat JCC, Sweet Pea (both not prime but still very good) Vargas, SSM, Tito etc....

 

Who has Floyd, JCC, Hopkins beaten?

Who has Dempsey beaten?

Who has L. Lewis beaten?

Who has RJJ beaten , a green Hopkins? or a weight drained Toney? and a lot of bums? (not my thoughts)

 

Definitely

 

JCC and Sweat Pea were ole ass men.

Vargas = Trinidad leftover.

DLH has never beat Trinidad or Mosley. You Fishnets nuthuggers need to come to terms with reality.

 

nope, lost to Floyd, Pac, Mosleyx2, B-Hop, Tito. beat who? over the hill Chavez, Camacho and quetionable DEC over Quartey and Sturm. He was above average but not ATG

 

Chavez, Whitaker, Quartey, Vargas, Ruelas.... He fought everybody and was around a lon time. As you said, he lost a lot of times but that does not change that he should be a lower TOP 100 ATG. Between spot 80 to 100.

You got to be aware that you can pick apart anybody's resume.

 

People misunderstand the term ATG.

ATG means TOP 100 as defined by the Ring Magazine.DH is a lower ATG, just as trindiad, Mosley, Calzaghe, James Toney. You will have a hard time finding 100 boxers to rank above them. The only knock on DH is that he lost a lot of significant fights.

Guys like Quartey and Vargas are not, you see the difference?

 

yeah i see the difference. i give him credit for not ever ducking a fight. he was very talented. i'd just have a hard time ranking him over 85-90 (The Ring's definition of ATG is different from my own, i would say top 50 are the ATG's.). If Ali lost 6 of his 8 biggest fights, where would he be? gotta win the big fights. but thats just in my opinion. To each his own.

 

Agreed. Not higher than 85 seems to be fair to me. DH has just lost too many significant fights.