wtf did Kostya Tszyu do to get into the HOF ????

He must have decided he liked getting hit in the face against Phillips, Hatton, Judah, Hurtado, Mitchell then, just decided 'defense mines great but whats the point in avoiding being punched in the face'

And no he just can't punch at very close quarters, if he could he would ripped Hatton at that range

 

I don't mind Tszyu getting in. He beat a solid list of fighters (no greats that weren't way past it though), even beating some good veterans very early in his career, and ranks pretty high at 140 all-time in achievements, if not H2H.

As far as him being first ballot, well there's other fighters that are long overdue that I'd prefer to see get in over Tszyu. Of course if you went that route, you'd be waiting a long time for Tszyu and other recent fighters to get into Canastota.

Oh, and comparing him to Sylvester Stallone? That's different, one is a fighter and the other gets in for Non-Participant/Observer. Stallone's getting in there for writing screenplays, much like how Budd Schulberg is mainly in the HOF for writing the screenplay for On the Waterfront (which probably would make people NOT want to be boxers) and the novel The Harder They Fall.

 

though at bringing up the Chavez fight to argue Tszyu's greatness. Are we forgetting that Chavez "earned" the mandatory title shot at Tszyu by not winning a fight at 140 for almost five years? And had lost to the legendary Willy Wise?

He was about 13 years, 50+ fights, and a million shots of Tequila past his peak.

 

Ross is but couldn't impose his size because of his style, Zivic certainly didn't bring the same power to the table. Garcia I'm not sure as I haven't seen enough of him

 

HOF is the level below ATG. Fair enough he is there.

 

You come across as a bit of an arshole there mate:think Sorry,just an: impression I get:verysad

 

true, just like Trinidad vs Whitaker

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I thought the same thing tbh

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Good enough? His offense was great. His timing and accuracy were peerless. His forward shuffle to close the distance to his opponents was great as well as his ability to cut off the ring.

He could have thought Whitaker a thing or two about fighting going forward. When forced to fight going forward in the Hurtado fight Whitaker looked lost and was just plodding forward.

Buddy just doesn't have the accomplishments to be there yet, although they will put him on the list eventually. It's no surprise that he hasn't made the list after 15 years. You have to win and dominate for some time. Buddy never did that; he picked up titles but lost them very quickly.

His loss to the 5 foot Frankie Warren also hurts him. Brown was a good win but Brown was not a great fighter. He just doesn't have the depth of resume or accomplishments to be there yet.

sweet_scientist, I wonder why you changed your tune from "Tszyu is a better figher and wold have beat McGirt" to "McGirt was better fighter and would have beat Tszyu" in this very same thread? Many of your posts make no sense but I don't have the time to reply to all of them. For example, you say Tszyu was troubled by Urkal's infighting. In reality the fight was a pure boxing match where Tszyu beat Urkal at his own game by outjabbing and outboxing him.

 

Freddy, I completely agree with you on this. Tszyu is good but really his conditioning looks atrocious at times and that attack can be SLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOWWWWWW. Chavez from five or six years previous to their fight would have been a completely different story. I had never seen a fight of his before the Mitchell rematch and then I ordered his career and I was kind of appalled at all the respect he gets around here. He is the definition of a guy who took big power as far as it would go with a basic attack.

 

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People really have no clue about the level of fighters that are already in there. Tszyu is actually one of the better inductees.

Bobby Chacon
Barry McGuigan
Pipino Cuevas
Khaosai Galaxy
Victor Galindez
Brian Mitchell
Edwin Rosario
Orlando Canizalez
Ingemar Johansson
Carlos Zarate
Jeff Chandler
Carlos Palomino
Willie Pastrano
Danny Lopez
Ricardo Lopez
Michael Carbajal
Humberto Gonzalez
etc.
etc.

There are a lot of fighters that were not as good as him as well as many who are on the same level.

It's interesting how his contemporaries regarded him as a great fighter and a lock for the HOF but now some kids are claiming that a dominant champion with the longevity at the top like Tszyu should NOT BE in the HOF.

 

Yup, he was a boxer's boxer. So many of them looked up to Zoo. But I guess they were all wrong.

Just like apparently, some internet ******s are re-writing the division as being horribly weak when he ruled it, when the consensus at the time was that it was the deepest division.

Smart people look at facts and then come to a conclusion. Others, like the OP, come to a conclusion then try to look for facts to support it (and ignore facts that disprove it)
You can't argue with that, cause it's a special kind of insanity, from someone who doesn't care about being right or wrong, just cares about defending whatever position that have arbitrarily chosen.

 

The only weakness in his offensive arsenal was his infighting ability. It was quite basic. Beyond that though, he really was a great offensive fighter.

No doubt. Tszyu was outstanding on the front foot.

Looking at how long some one held titles to determine how good they are is a very superficial way to proceed. There's more to what makes up a fighter's worth than that. Though I think you are right that that's the reason that Buddy hasn't been inducted yet. But that speaks more for the inadequacies in the thinking of the guys picking the HOF'ers than anything else.

Well he avenged the loss to Warren in style, unlike Tszyu who never even avenged his loss to Phillips.

Simon Brown wasn't great, but the Simon Brown Buddy schooled was still better at that stage than anyone Tszyu beat.

Where have I changed my tune? Please point it out by quoting me.

Tszyu-Urkal was not a pure boxing match by the way.