Yes you can, Kelly!!!!

That does look pretty bleak.

If he's going to be stubborn with his amateur style he's going to be in for a real disappointment. Pretty stupid move on his part.

 

Glad do see respectful Pavlik fans here. Nothing to be ashamed of, he'll be back, and it's always a good thing to clean out the bandwagon from those who only took the winner ride, trust me! :thumbsup

Now my question to the "other" Pavlik fans: according to many of you, Kelly was supposed to become some monster at 170lbs to knock Hopkins out, but the weight became "too much" so quickly after the fight, with Bernard "badly outweighing Kelly" fight night. So came the conclusion when Pavlik entered camp at 185, it was a sign that LMW Martinez is "going out on a stretcher". And once again it turned around so quickly: badly outweighing Martinez at 178 was actually bad for Kelly, because he was "drained".

So which one is it? Too much weight or too little weight?

 

Kelly needs new everything ....Most middle weights have some solid muscle tone ..this dude had none...I believe he's not being coach right.

 

From that interview, it sounds like the only thing he is even considering changing is his weight class.

His limited style + his very limited team will = disaster at 168.

If he wants to continue, he should at least try hooking up with a real trainer & going to a Big Bear type place where their is really nothing to do other than train.

As much as I can't stand him as a fighter, I don't want to see the guy ruin his life.

If even 1/4th of the rumours are true, he is on his way to doing just that.

 

Boo~ Not exactly accurate... Kelly was preparing for PW, literally days before the Hopkins announcement... When it became evident that negotiations were way off, TR chose several different opponents, and they ultimately decided on Hopkins. I know this as a fact. First hand.

 

hey guys, not read through the whole thread but good on you for the loyalty. fighters need fans that stick around and it's nice to see

he's lost twice, it happens. bad fighters lose, good fighters lose, great fighters lose. let's hope kelly can pick it up and show he's the latter

 

Kell worked with a specialist in Cali for the weight training.

 

Two different fights, two different scenarios. This is not an either/or. In my opinion, which I can never give without getting flamed, he was in much better position to fight Hopkins THIS camp. But the Hopkin's fight also had another factor. Kelly didn't have to lose much weight for that fight, yet failed to get back up to his walk around weight after weigh in, most likely because of the bronchitis and anti-biotics he was on.

I have no first hand information but reports were that Kelly was looking "better than ever" with the added weight and had more pop on his punches. He has two choices to make. Lose some muscle and stay at 160 or take his chances at 168.

 

My point about the weight gain is a pretty simple one, so I'm surprised people try to twist it around and act like I'm knocking Martinez.

On December 19th, on a strictly physical level, Pavlik looked pretty good. He just looked like a huge middleweight. Not only that, but this was also after a long lay off and a short camp.

Right after the fight Arum said he wanted Pavlik back in the ring no later than mid-April, and everyone pretty much knew the opponent would be either Williams or Martinez.

Between mid December and mid February Pavlik blew up to 190 pounds.

Under the circumstances that makes me just go What The ****atsch

 

Little Debbie is easier to take off than muscle. Fat is the first thing the body burns through. I was worried about the muscle all along. I let myself get 'lulled' by the reports that his weight was 'on target' but it always nagged at me that they weren't really accounting for extra muscle. That has to be starved off. No way around that.