You are not p4p #1 if you get dropped and almost stopped by an Uber driver

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Slyk, May 6, 2025 at 3:07 PM.


  1. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is why I sometimes troll usyk (who I really rate), because other fighters don't get credit

    To your credit, you are fair in this aspect. We don't always agree, especially with Wlad, but you give others a fair shake

    Like what the **** does inoue have to do? Go back in a time machine and beat morales and barerra?

    It could be argued that getting floored, then going on to dominate his opponents, shows he can handle adversity

    Inoue is a brilliant boxer and one of the best of this era. I admit right now usyk should be number 1, but inoue is certainly either 2 or 3 and has time to climb
     
  2. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My favorite ATGs fighters got dropped more than once (hell, it seemed like Joe Louis was being dropped in every other fight!) so I just don't understand what the fuss is about.
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Since we're on the topic of Floyd Mayweather, knockdown or not, I've never seen anyone hurt Inoue as badly as Sugar Shane hurt Mayweather. Floyd better thank his lucky stars that his grab and hold game had evolved greatly.
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  4. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The so-called "Chin Checkers" from a decade ago really made just getting dropped automatically having a glass jaw.
     
  5. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hell, even DeMarcus Corley hurt Floyd worse than what happened to Inouye :lol:
     
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  6. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For the Inoue fans who are upset:

    Try to find an example of a fighter getting knocked down who at the time was p4p #1. Then, try to find an opponent who was less experienced, less accomplished, and less skilled than Cardenas. What happened has never happened before, UNLESS Inoue is more of a p4p top 3-5 guy.

    The average response in this thread is an angry version of "so if a fighter gets knocked down he's no good?? what about Ali??". Your heart is in the right place, but you aren't reading what I'm saying correctly. If a fighter is regarded as THE BEST BOXER ALIVE, and he's knocked down by and goes to war with an unheralded 100-1 underdog, we need to reconsider his status as THE BEST BOXER ALIVE. We are not discussing whether or not Inoue is a great fighter (he will go down as a great fighter), we are simply discussing this rare distinction of being the best in the sport across weight classes.

    To me, it couldn't be more obvious who the best boxer alive is, and his name is not Naoya Inoue.
     
  7. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What exactly does Inoue need to do to make that #1 claim legitimate in your view? Going by your logic does that mean that Inoue has no chance at all to make that #1 claim in the future for the rest of his career because one simple unexpected knockdown happened by someone that wasn't supposed to do that? Even if Inoue beats all the best fighters put in front of him years from now he still shouldn't be called the best boxer in the world because that lone knockdown would forever linger throughout till the day he retires? He can be the #2 best fighter in the world but that would be the highest he will get since he'll forever be disqualified of making that #1 spot from that brief moment of weakness.

    I'm sure you understand just how ridiculous that sounds. I personally don't have Inoue as the #1 P4P best right now but there's absolutely nothing wrong with other people putting him in that spot. One lone knockdown from an underdog isn't going to change his P4P status.
     
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  8. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You've misunderstood me. Pacquiao suffered KO losses against lesser opposition and still managed to become p4p #1. No one is saying Inoue is disqualified from becoming p4p #1 - you've made that up and then called it "ridiculous"

    If other top p4p fighters look vulnerable and get knocked down in their next fights against 100-1 underdogs, and Inoue looks great against MJ, wouldn't you want to see Inoue regarded as the best fighter in the sport? This is my point.
     
  9. Flo_Raiden

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    Nobody is going to be expecting any of the other top P4P fighters like Crawford or Usyk to be fighting a huge underdog, let alone possibly look vulnerable, because they don't fight as often as Inoue does, who at least makes an effort to keep himself busy. P4P rankings are rated based on most recent performances, wins and losses. Many people expected Inoue to beat Cardenas prior and surprisingly Cardenas fought better than expected. Inoue had one brief scare but still won big in the end. That fight still doesn't affect Inoue's P4P standing, it says more about Cardenas being a very good fighter that didn't just show up for a paycheck.

    If people had Inoue as the #1 guy before the Cardenas fight and still have him there right now then that's totally fine. At the end of the day Inoue still impressed the fans with a great performance against a game underdog in a fight that saved the entire weekend that was disappointing 2 days prior. The point that people are trying to tell you on this thread that you continue ignoring is that any fighter, even the very best, can show vulnerability at any given moment no matter who the opponent is. One brief moment of weakness against an underdog is not enough to make a huge criticism on his P4P ranking period.
     
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  10. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "P4P rankings are rated based on most recent performances, wins and losses" - the performance part is what we're looking at. Inoue gave an exciting fight, but not a good performance. There's a huge difference. Having to go to war against a 100-1 underdog is not a good performance for the supposed best fighter in boxing. Cardenas hurt Inoue multiple times in the fight, was competitive throughout, and made him look human. You can argue how much it affects his p4p ranking, but you can't argue whether or not it does. It absolutely does.
     
  11. The Cryptkeeper

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    Why do you keep harping on about the guy being 100/1? Bookmakers get it wrong all the time.

    Tyson was KO’d by a 42/1 guy. Lewis was beaten up by Rahman who must have been big odds too.

    You are carrying on as though Inoue got dropped by a guy they found in a local pub. That’s simply not the case.

    And as for your “almost stopped” comment, well I am sorry man, you’re an idiot. Inoue got caught by a great shot but had recovered almost before he hit the canvas. That punch had almost no impact other than the flash knockdown, which can happen to literally any fighter.

    And stop pretending that you are arguing in good faith. The thread title is evidence enough that you are baiting people.