Your Scorecard?

Agree. The definition of what punches "land" is pretty subjective though but the punches thrown are solid numbers.

 

That's a fair point, He was hurt by Margo at one point i think it was the beating he put on him that overshadowed how much he was caught.

I haven't been on this Manny is super human sillyness, While back i went through lists of his opponents on this spree and many were damaged goods prior. That's why i felt confident JMM could cause problems like before. Nacho was spot on he's not as hard to fight due to him being refined. Tim Bradley spoke on how to beat him. Liked what he said 'Footwork and position'. It's spot on and JMM laid the blueprint ages ago. Naazim took it and used it rightly but Mosley fought like a punk ***** that night i'm sorry to say..

I also feel the attitude of Manny's really pissing Roach off, At the weigh in he's throwing trainers into crowd. He's not got the mindset you'd want from a fighter going into a fight like that last night. Roach knows JMM has his man's number he never wanted the fight.

 

Maybe the first silence of Pacquiao fans ever, and surprisingly not as ignorant by Mayweather fans either. I never watched it great because I was drunk plus I had a silent low quality stream (**** you Primetime!), but I was afraid for Pacman looking at it and reading that not a single person really thinks he won speaks for itself. He looked like he lost too so that only added to it.

After watching it, it kills me to say it, but Mayweather should beat Pacquiao. Pac struggled as Mosley walked back, but doninated with work rate. Add some head movement to the walking away from Marquez, and he could barley land a punch on him. Finish it off with the best defencive fighter who would throw a lot more punchers from May, I think it speaks for itself. And this is from someone who has been called a *throws up* ******* before.

Make the fight happen, Pacquiao needs the chance to redeem himself because for most, he dropped down the ranks last night,

 

Well, let's hope this will now make the fight more possible. It's always been my view that Floyd would never take the fight until he saw enough flaws or slippage in Pacquiao to make him convinced he could win. If not Floyd himself then definitely his whole camp, especially his daddy.

 

116-112 marquez

 

I disagree. I mean I agree that Marquez won and I agree that you could have him winning almost all the rounds bar round 4. Round 5 was a big Marquez round so I presume you mean the 4th.

However 6-8 were really close with very little of note, I scored them all to Marquez as he landed cleaner shots, but he landed very little and Pac threw a fair bit more and in some of the exchanges where he missed it was difficult to tell in real time that he missed landing cleanly. I felt 9 and 10 were much clearer Marquez rounds than 6-8. I have Pac the first on aggression and effort but it could easily have been equal. I scored 2 and 3 as 10-10 as there was so little of note in either round. Possibly Marquez for round 2.

I gave Pac the 12th but it was scrappy and could have been even too. A lot of rounds where you gave Marquez the round but hardly felt he had bossed it or won it without any doubt.

He won but another lad who had him winning also gave Pac a couple of rounds and different ones to me. He gave him the 8th for example. So it could easily have been a situation where if you combined two score cards there would be Pac winning 4 or 5 rounds.

 

You see this post kind of proves my point. We both had Marquez winning but you gave Pac the 10th and I clearly had it for Marquez. You also gave him the 6th which I gave to Marquez but felt it was almost impossible to score and I might have been swayed by all the robbery talk. You gave Marquez round 4 and I felt Pac definitely won it.

And I gave 2 and 3 as equal due to so little happening or landing from either man. If we combined your Pac rounds with mine and keep my tied rounds (which is not unreasonable as someone could easily see the rounds the same) then the scorecard would be...

1 - P
2 - Even
3 - Even
4 - P
5 - M
6 - P
7 - M
8 - M
9 - M
10 - P
11 - M
12 - P

115-115

That would simply be by someone seeing the fight the same as me for most of it and the same as you in rounds 6 and 10. We both had Marquez winning, and yet it was clearly not the sort of clear cut win that screams robbery as much as people are saying.

I was a bit baffled by Lederman's card though.

 

117-111 Marquez.

 

There is simply no way to rationalise scoring the fight to manny

Just cant be done

 

r u a ******(,the rounds wers so close it was impossible to separate them)then u say how did pac get decision.**** off

 

You shouldn't call people ******ed if you write in text speak and can't use question marks to denote an actual question. You ****wit.

 

1. Pacquiao
2. Marquez
3. Pacquiao
4. Marquez Close
5. Marquez
6. Pacquiao Close
7. Marquez
8. Marquez
9. Marquez Close
10. Marquez Close
11. Marquez
12. Pacquiao Close

 

Some might say it is propaganda though

 

Id have to rewatch and take more note of what rounds were what. Yes, 5th was a big Marquez round, so Im confusing things there.
I thought it was 9-10 where a couple of times Pac leaned down on Marquez back and Marquez went to ground, I feared he was tired, but then he fired back into control again. Maybe it was earlier.
I just cant make case for giving Pac more than 4 rounds at best.

 

I have a question. They were all pretty bad but which of Harold Lederman's cards was worse?

1st fight: 115-110 Pacquiao
2nd fight: 115-112 Pacquiao
3rd fight: 116-112 Pacquiao

:think

I had them 113-112, 114-113, 114-114 in slight favour of Pacquiao btw