Zhang vs 94 George Foreman

It's amazing how much a single win seems to promote a guy nowadays. Joyce is big but he's such a terrible bloody fighter. The jury's still out on big bang, lets see how he goes when he steps right up. He's got some clout so it will be interesting.

 

It's a see to find out type of fight in my book. Foreman truly became old at the time, despite being able to turn back the lock power-wise. Sure, he would go on as that heartwarming, fan-favorite belt holder taking on the interesting if not very impressive opposition in Schulz, Savarese, Grimsley or Briggs, but he stopped being the fearsome punching preacher of Holyfield fight (now that's a truly dangerous version of comeback Foreman) some time ago, and was inactive after the Morrison loss.

For what it's worth, Zhang might age just as much or worse in four years or five years.

Zhilei definitely took over the Joyce hypetrain (which I can forgive because he had no chinks or losses prior to Zhang fight; which I bought into in spite of always telling my father than chins may be granite, but orbital bones break, eyes close, and liver equalizes us all in the eyes of the Maker.) I find it weird, given how just a fight ago we've seen his limits against Hrgovic, and two or so years prior we've seen some limitations against Rudenko as well. Joe for all the good that can be said about him is easier to hit flush and clean than a newborn baby.

Foreman of Holyfield fight beats Zhang a solid times out of ten in my opinion. Reliable, unorthodox defense. Granite chin. Youthful gas tank. One of the greatest heavyweight hand-fighters of all-time. That, and a veteran offense full of old-school tricks.

 

Joyce is not terrible by any means. He's got an outlier set of skills that make him a nightmare for many opponents. Huge size, solid power, great chin, good workrate, endless stamina. Unfortunately for him he's as fast as a speeding glacier and he has average boxing skills and zero defence. Still, on the whole, he's made the package work and has defeated some useful names. I think Zhang is a nightmare matchup for him, that's all.

 

His skill level is ordinary, he's slow and has both poor defense and reactions....which you mostly stated. This = terrible for me even if he's legit top 10 and dangerous to some guys. Size is his biggest asset and the power that comes with it. Until Zhang his durability looked very good and he did have a good engine for a big dude. I still find him a bit of a plodder to be frank.

He was supposed to win fight one which comes back to my comment how quickly guys can get overrated right now. There were massive wraps on him. The wraps are now on Zhang and i see a lot of people thinking he's the favorite in a Fury match. That's a huge call at this point on a guy who had lost prior to Joyce.

I do like the way Zhang looks for sure but am waiting for fight against the top guys which is hopefully forthcoming fast.

 

So we've gone from panning him to outrageous praise, have we? Plodder through treacle, maybe.

 

Zhang wins on points, but not like Briggs in 1997, but uncontroversially.

 

His last two wins impress me more than any of George’s comeback wins. And his loss impressed me more than any of George’s loses.

 

Foreman put up an excellent effort against Evander Holyfield and gained mountains of respect from it. Zhang is in his professional prime right now. If Zhang steps it up vs top 3 guys i will give him due credit.

 

You find a dog shitting more impressive than any of Foreman's comeback wins. You are severely touched and more than a little obsessed

 

Fury for all the hype he gets doesn't have that much in terms of quality wins. It's a better resume than Joyce but still pretty garbage by the standard of prior eras. So is it really overrating Zhang to think he has a chance with Fury?

Fury could have easily lost Wilder 1 and the Wallin fight by TKO with different refs. He's very very fortunate not to have multiple prime stoppage losses despite not fighting most of the top fighters of his era.

 

Read my post properly. After you do ask yourself....is it overrating Zhang to think him favorite over Fury? Yes or no?

Also if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.......the thing is he's never been beaten.

Now some years back you told us it was logical that Joshua was the heavyweight ever as he was the latest and greatest and evolution and all that. He'd done a helluva lot less that Fury that's for sure so you've sure lost me on that one.

I do agree however Fury doesn't have thaaaaaat much in quality wins. The trouble is Joshua, Wilder and Usyk are also lagging. We'd both agree they all need to get in the ring against each other (and Zhang now everyone is on about him) and set their legacies and standings in a bit of a hurry. Wilders beat about two top 10 fighters in his life, Fury needs more, Joshua needs big names like Fury, Wilder or Zhang etc ad infinitum. His status has sustained more damage than the other 3 as he's copped a few losses. He could still pick up tho with a win over the likes of Wilder and Fury, obviously. Fury's the bigger win to state the obvious. There's loads of good matches there they just have to be made. I think we will see a few in the next few years.

 

NoNeck

NoBrains would be a more fitting name.

 

tricky fight, Zhang is smart a southpaw and can bang BIG BANG - Foreman has power and great chin as it seems Zhang has as well.

Zhang can shoot a power punch pretty fast as we saw in his last fight

who hurts who first and who retains stamina wins