Deontay Wilder In The 70s

You actually liked his post where he said you were referring to the versions of Foreman and Frazier who "Shavers" fought?

Do you know who Earnie Shavers was?

This is the classic forum, right?

Gotta go now.

Be sure and post links to the Foreman-Shavers and Frazier-Shavers fights you both are referencing.

I'd love to see them.

 

I didn't expect someone can be so limited to fail to understand my point...

 

I didn't insist Liston was any age, nor do I know. 1940 census indicates his birthyear is 1929/30. 1950 census indicates his birthyear is 1922/1923. Newspaper records indicate his birth year is 1927. Doctor's estimates have him born between 1923 and 1926.

It's a mystery, and nobody truly knows and if they say they do, they're lying (like yourself).

 

Are you really that stupid that you didn't grasp the sarcasm in his post? Jesus, you're even dumber than I thought. I'm not going to spell it out for you.

 

So apparently, if someone starts a thread and asks does Shavers do better than Deontay did in this time period, it's okay for me to say Sergei Liakhovich beats Shavers.

And when people go crazy and say things like "Shavers would've killed the Liakhovich who Wilder fought."

Apparently, I can say, "NO STUPID, I meant the BEST version of Liakhovich against Brewster, not the version Wilder actually fought, idiot. God. Isn't it obvious to anyone with a brain? Can't you read?"

IS that how far we've come to try to protect Shavers now? We can't actually compare how Wilder would do against the guys Shavers actually fought, we have to compare them to guys he fought ... but BETTER versions than those Shavers faced?

How does Shavers do against the ABSOLUTE BEST version of Fury three times? (Can't play the "30% cherry pick Fury" game that way, can we?)



You, the troll (who apparently knows what sarcasm is like he knows who Earnie Shavers was), and your buddy the ***** have fun moving the goal posts. I'd rather stick a pencil in my neck than keep talking to you.

 

Woe is to Sonny the philosopher.

 

Cut down too young by a society that didn't understand him. A man of great passions. Great pains. Unusual wingspan. The world wasn't ready. It may never be.

 

It’s sad, some here might interpret this wrongly and it’ll resonate with there opinion of the man. Yuck.

 

I honestly have no idea what you're on about. The only times I mentioned Shavers was to say I favored Wilder over the Ali who faced Shavers, and to answer your question if I think Wilder goes through Shavers resume with only 2 losses.

What 30% cherry pick Fury are you talking about? Anyways to answer your question, I think Fury sweeps Shavers.

Nobody is changing the goal posts. You're either to daft to understand, or trolling.

 

You've been condescending to all these guys (who are actually replying on topic) because you haven't comprehended what was actually asked.

The thread actually requests how TWO scenario's play out, not one.

"So since I joined this forum, I've seen alot of debates regarding who hits harder Shavers or Wilder. So let's transport Wilder into the 70s, how well does he do ?

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does he do better than Shavers ?"

Hopefully that clarifies everything for you and you can go about your apologies.

 

Great.

Wilder OUTWEIGHS them all and goes undefeated as he knocks out 1972 Jimmy Young, 1973 Larry Holmes (just like Swag picked), 1974 Jimmy Ellis, 1974 Shavers (the one who fought Stallings), 1975 Oscar Bonavena, 1976 Joe Frazier (just like Swag picked), 1977 Jerry Quarry, 1977 Muhammad Ali (just like Swag picked), 1978 Duane Bobick (just for laughs), 1979 Ron Lyle and 1979 Ken Norton ... clean sweep ...

Wilder retires in 1980 with 60 wins and 60 kos and dominates the 1970s.

Thanks for clearing that up. It's much easier when you can pick when you fight them.

Although, Swag's 87-2 pick for Wilder against Shavers' actual opponents/record when Earnie fought them is still pretty impressive.

How about that John Thomas? (That's what she said.)

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Whenever Wilder comes up your eyes instantly start rolling around your head like slot machine wheels and all sanity just goes out the window doesn't it. No poster is safe, no against take is safe, lookout world

Not much of an apology to all the guys you've been harassing because you couldn't comprehend a thread with a whopping two requests instead of one.

 

Just for anyone new or those not fully familiar with the immense quality of poster you've been up against, or who has been attempting to belittle you.......well you should know he's a real expert when it comes to Wilder and the below is the sort of expert unbiased insights you can expect. Tread carefully folks, he sure can recognize an all time great when he see's one!!! An ATG!

Don't be that "straggler on the bandwagon" peeps!!!!!!!!

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Wilder TKO1 Fury in their rematch.

Wilder knows how to attack Fury now. Wilder will come into the ring around 228 - roughly 15 or 16 pounds bigger than last time. He's already had Fury down twice. He'll start fast. The added weight and power will blow Fury's mind.

Fury fought basically the perfect fight last time, against a severely underweight Wilder, and Fury still couldn't win.

Against a heavier, stronger more aggressive Wilder, Fury's going to be overwhelmed.

Short night's work for Wilder.

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Wilder weighed less for the first Fury fight than any bout except his pro debut. Wilder was emaciated. And he said he lost weight after the weigh in.

People go on and on about Fury's conditioning, but the first fight with Wilder was one of the best performances of Fury's career. And it'll go down in history as one of the best performances Fury every delivered in the ring.

Fury was in better shape for the first Wilder fight than he was for Hammer or either Chisora fight. He'd been in camp for nearly an entire year. And Fury was very sharp when he stepped in the ring for the WBC title.

Wilder was arguably the weakest he'd been for any fight since his debut, and he still had Fury on the deck twice. Wilder is a more ferocious puncher when he weighs in the 220s. He'll weigh in the high 220s for Ortiz and Fury.

Wilder's about to face two guys who he's already had down five times in total. He's going to come in heavier and stronger in their rematches and just walk thru both.

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Wilder clearly wasn't 100 percent, either. And now Wilder also knows what he has to do to drop Fury, since he did it twice. So he'll get right on it.

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I've been listening to this nonsense that Tyson Fury will be better for the rematch. Tyson Fury was sharp as hell and fighting at an excellent weight for him the night he faced Wilder.

Wilder, on the other hand, didn't fight well at all. And yet he still nearly pulled out a TKO win at the end. Wilder was scrawny. He missed a lot. He wasn't sharp at all. Fury was.

All Wilder has to do is have a NORMAL camp, come in weighing 226/228, and come out aggressively ... which he should since he knows he can floor Fury and Fury - despite being nearly 50 pounds heavier than Wilder - couldn't drop Wilder.

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But the argument that Fury was not at his best for their first meeting and Wilder was, is a joke. Their weights told the story as much as anything else. Fury was a little lighter than he's been for most of his fights, and Wilder was totally depleted and fought like it.

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Deontay Wilder flooring Tyson Fury twice and successfully defending his title is something you guys purposely leave out all the time and it blows any argument you're trying to make.

Wilder successfully defending against Fury was a better successful defense than any defense Marciano made. Layne and Matthews weren't even title defenses, and Matthews was a SMALL light heavyweight. That would be like if Wilder obliterated a super middleweight contender right now, like Billy Joe Saunders. That's a joke.

Apples to apples.

Do you honestly believe Harry Matthews is a tougher out than Tyson Fury?

I'm not going to do this today. I just hope all these threads are preserved and you guys stick around for a couple years. Because they're going to be hysterical soon.

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You're wrong about Wilder. Comically wrong. He's an all-time great. He'll be a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's making his 10th consecutive defense next. Some of you guys aren't the brightest bulbs, clearly. Some day you'll catch up.

There's always a straggler on the bandwagon.

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I can recognize an all-timer when I see one. Wilder is an all-timer. I've been following boxing since the 1970s ... I've never seen a heavyweight in that time like him.

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When Wilder stops Fury early in the rematch, Marciano-Walcott 1 and 2 will look like a Poor Man's Wilder-Fury 1 & 2.

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When did I agree to that?

It was one of Wilder's worst performances. He came in way too light and his timing was off all night. Still, he threw more punches in every round but one and scored two hard knockdowns.

It was arguably Fury's best performance.

I expect Wider to finish him quicker next time.

 

These statements aged well.