Baumgardner busted for PEDS

Or the reports of the three failed tests that he got a retroactive TUE for circa 2010. Well before the more popular retroactive TUE he got vs Pacquiao.

Mayweather, like Evan Fields and Gamboa, is part of the guys that have already been caught but that just haven’t “officially” been outed.

 

That & much more.

 

You act like I wasn't posting here throughout all the years of Mayweather and Pacquiao insanity. Both had toxic fan bases and made up their minds about each party's guilt when it came to PED use based on tribalism, not evidence. Or jumped to believe that every flimsy bit of evidence was a smoking gun so their side could score a "gotcha!".

Trust me, I've heard it all. Some things here or there may be circumstantially suspicious but there is no smoking gun, nothing concrete to say that Mayweather is proven to have used PEDs.

 

Jessica McCaskill has pointing the finger at Matchroom’s involvement in Alycia Baumgardner’s failed drug test and in response, Hearn threatening legal action.

 

They always stick up for each other no matter how guilty

 

The excuses for this chick are insane. I’ve seen a fighter say MatchRoom sabotaged her because of her contract. I’ve seen someone say that she basically tested positive because “they don’t know our bodies and what they produce”. SMH. I’d bet money the same people coming out with all of these excuses still think Manny was using peds because Floyd accused him.

 

Dont you know that there have been ways to rehydrate? IV fluid is an option if you will be hiding something to edge against your opponent. Floyd very low TE RAtio for multiple on occassion is manefestation of PED use. Do your homework

 

Again, that is all circumstantial. There is no smoking gun.

 

Just because Barry Bonds never failed a test doesn't mean he's innocent. Dude was caught red handed using a masking agent when he was barely even rehydrating post weigh in.

 

It was saline and vitamins. He disclosed it to USADA before having it administered (but the paperwork took another three weeks after the fight, hence the "late" TUE), and the drug test administered to him on the night before the fight was unannounced so there wouldn't have been any reason for him to expect to need to dilute or mask anything if he was guilty.

Again, not saying he didn't use a PED and mask it with IV. Just being the voice of reason applying common sense and saying that an elite athlete using an IV of saline & vitamins to rehydrate following a weight cut isn't unheard of and doesn't have to automatically mean that. Pac fans, Mayweather haters, and people with Fox Mulder syndrome that want to believe he's guilty will point out low testosterone levels and the like. Pac haters, Mayweather fans, and the fighthype crowd will point out that he is the one that always insisted on more rigorous drug testing, both long before and during Pacquiao negotations. The former doesn't prove his guilt and the latter doesn't prove his innocence.

The only fact we know is that he used an IV, that contained saline and vitamins, and that USADA deemed it sufficiently acceptable to grant an exemption while NSAC disagreed. Literally anything else is conjecture that we may never have a satisfactory conclusive answer to.

People not wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt will, in the absence of hard proof either way ever coming to light, swear up and down that he was in fact masking something. People that want to rush to defend him will dismiss any suspicions along those lines as ridiculous and swear up and down that he was just getting fluids after boiling to cap off an intense training camp. REASONABLE PEOPLE fall in the middle and remain as judiciously uncommitted and essentially "agnostic" on the matter as the hard facts we do have (and more importantly, the absence of such hard facts to draw a firm conclusion) demand.

You're a known Pac fanboy, so with all due respect you aren't one to be trusted providing an impartial viewpoint here. I'm not a Mayweather or Pacquiao fan; no dog in the race. In fact, during the years-long hoopla surrounding their build-up and match practically the whole online boxing community was split down the middle with a minuscule few (prominently including myself) retaining sanity and calling things down the middle.

 

Anyway, not going to get drawn into much further back-and-forth on the subject as it's literally been hashed out more than any other boxing topic on the internet, ever. (over 132k posts spanning more than aa decade: https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/the-all-things-mayweather-pacquiao-express.527622/ and https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...s-pacquiao-aftermath-trash-receptacle.537333/)

This is ostensibly a thread about Baumgardner getting busted. Rather than derail it any further, if people really want to litigate Mayweather vs. Pacquiao all over again, maybe just the Aftermath Receptacle in the second link above?

 

We will never see eye to eye on this. I am a massive Manny Pacquiao fan and I'm never going to stop. Is it possible that Mayweather wasnt using the IV to mask PEDs. Yes it is. There were no grounds to suspend him. That's why I never called for a suspension. You need hard proof to formally discipline. That said, I'm not buying it. The excuses Mayweather sold dont mean a hill a beans to me. Appreciate the high effort post.

 

The training, the prayers and the Vitamins.

 

Fakka da Hulk Hogan!

 

Circumstantial evidence is admissible in court. Many criminal convictions are based on circumstantial evidence, although it must sufficient to meet established standards of proof.