Heavyweight Champions from Ancient to Present (WIP)

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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  2. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    @GlaukosTheHammer @BitPlayerVesti @Senya13 CBZ has Mendoza fighting for a lightweight,welterweight and middleweight title before claiming the english championship, I can't really find anything on the early weight classes, what the limits were and the like, Do they translate directly to modern(ish) original 8 classes or was something different happening then.
     
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  3. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, it wasn't anything like modern 8 weight classes, was different even from late 19th century MoQ weight limits. I don't have exact quotes at hand, though. It was all unofficial, anyway. They mostly just agreed to fight at some limit, without using words like lightweight or middleweight.
     
  4. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks as always Senya, between you and the other two it's like having my own research team for my book. If you and Bitplayer would be willing to give me your real name I'd love to credit you guys for you work.
     
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  5. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    There's an IBRO article on the historyy of weight classes, but I think it's atleast pretty simplified, especially below Lightweight a lot of them seem to change quite a bit.
     
  6. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks bits just found it.
     
  7. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    @WAR01 loads of info here about older (and ancient) eras.
     
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    WAR01 In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Tt
     
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  9. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Bump for a legendary thread.
     
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  10. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The time is almost upon us gentlemen.
     
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  11. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm just gonna go a head and bump this. I have made several attempts at getting back to work but life seems to always in the way. I'll make no promises, but it is my intention to add a bit more, fix what mistakes I see, and generally improve this list.
     
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  12. Fergy

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    Amazing stuff
    Great post
     
  13. GlaukosTheHammer

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    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Glad to see you revive this series Glaukos, loved reading your ancient and early bare knuckle era writeups over the years
     
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  15. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Alright, looking over everything. I'm just going to take my time to not flood the section but I can safely say most of these will get filled out quickly because a lot of the names that are not links yet and do not have their own threads yet are names I recognize and know the story behind so finding them in their source and copying that here shouldn't be hard at all.

    I can't really say why I was withholding them. It looks like I was hoping to find more on some of them, others I think I may have just gotten distracted by some bk era stuff. I remember early black boxing being very difficult to research and that taking over for quite a long time. If you're not at least willing to call a library or museum you're not getting far in sources with early black boxing and that kind of sucks. See me getting distracted again. :lol:

    This go I'm just doing the ancients. It seems like other people equally inspired have learned and posted quite a lot on subjects like bare knuckle and early black boxing.

    When I am done with the ancients I'm going to get into dueling for a while because while the sport did die for about a thousand years, the "martial art" for lack of a better term, the "science" if you will, never did.

    I have not explained him yet, but it is Klietomachos who made that old 'don't have sex before a game' idea popular. Handed down from generation to generation before and long after boxing is banned and expanded into every modern sport. Men tell this to men with no knowledge of the source, no science to back it, and nothing more to go on than some man they respect told them. This is why the complete story matters. Because kids these days still follow what Klieto laid down. It isn't over. It never died. It is one continuous history held by common men for common men. Ultimately that was always my goal. I just wanted us non-elite normal dudes to see history is not exclusively kept by kings. Us normals, we have boxing. When you see a cat like Usyk, man, of course bro, that's what boxing is, was, always will be. Just some little poor boy from some poor nation done been taught some hand-me-down tricks by the old ones of his neighborhood? This is boxing, then, now, and always.

    So, imo, the younger me was knowledgeable but lacked direction. No big deal, once I get this in shape it will be very clear how boxing became modern boxing and why it is all one thing. The categories are needed, LPRR is very different from QB, but, it's all boxing. Sometimes they kick, but it's never kickboxing, dig? One history.


    Anyway, youse can tell, I'm motivated. Just don't want to flood the forum. I'll be back tomorrow and do another 3.