Prime Bernard Hopkins vs Prime GGG. Who wins?

Some people are just natural middleweights. Hopkins pro debut was at 175lbs. When Able was talking 154lbd to 168lbs he was just trying to emphasize what a bad a** GGG was. GGG really had to work hard to get up to 168lbs for his last fight. I can say this, GGG seemed really strong at 168lbs though. Canelo's punches couldn't really faze GGG, even at 168lbs when Canelo's reputation as a puncher was more enhanced. I wouldn't mind seeing a motivated version of GGG at 168lbs fight Munguia at this point.

 

Tarver was considered a big puncher but took on tough opponents as well & late in his career moved up to cruiser weight where he fought much bigger fighters.He was the first boxer to actually defeat Jone's & did it with one punch.He is just one of many if you would like more big named boxers he fought especially at light heavyweight than there is Jean Pascal (twice) Kelly Pavlik who was unbeaten at the time & who he easily beat.Pavlik was 35 0 0 31 Ko. Joe Calzaghe who he lost to although a lot of people think he won.Tavoris cloud who was a big puncher who he easily beat. It is not a small task to go from 160 all the way up to Light HW & win a belt some thing the smaller GGG would not be able to do.

 

Canelo was never considered a big puncher,GGG was the one who was suppose to be the big puncher.Canelo was considered a good puncher & really good body puncher but not a one punch KO man.

 

Hopkins has fought & defeated P4P greats & at both 160-175 what P4P great has GGG fought & defeated.Hopkins is one of the smartest boxers in the ring with an Iron chin to go with it.GGG could have beat a big named boxer by the name of Canelo twice put couldn't do it.How many times have people went against Hopkins when he fought elite boxers only to have it shoved back in their face.Oldest person to win a world title belt (48) & oldest to defend it 49.Hopkins top 20 P4P easily.GGG hard to say but I do know he would not have beat a prime Hopkins.The vote count above agree with me as Hopkins has twice the votes.

 

Hopkins was a natural light heavyweight though. His pro debut was at 175lbs. He lost, so he dropped down.

 

You all love to say GGG didn't beat any pfp greats, but alot of you would say Canelo is just that, and most people have GGG ahead in the series, or at least even, all while being at an advanced age. Average to good solid contenders were getting Absalutely laid out by GGG. You love to say GGG couldn't beat Canelo when he did. Your type is just as guilty as the crooks that originally stole those fights from GGG by continually pretending that Canelo was never defeated by GGG.

 

Yes he lost his first pro fight & it was as a 175 & after that one he trained his butt off for the 160 weight division & never looked back.I just watched the fight between Trinidad vs Joppy (Joppy strong MW) & how Trinidad just destroyed him & then how Hopkins so easily beat him.Styles make fights is so true,just when you think some one is going to beat another & then that doesn't happen,only in boxing.

 

I had GGG beating Canelo in the first fight & a draw in the second.Both fights were close but this is what happens when a supposedly great boxer goes up against another top boxer he doesn't look as great anymore because he is fighting another top fighter.Hopkins made other top fighters look bad really bad.Hopkins knew how to neutralize his opponents best .

 

Cyril, you don't seem to be agreeing even with yourself !

In this post...

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...rime-ggg-who-wins.701032/page-7#post-22263051

...you say:

And then a few posts later, you say...

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...rime-ggg-who-wins.701032/page-8#post-22266736

So on the one hand, you are claiming that Canelo beat GGG twice.

And a while later, you admit that Canelo didn't win either fight at MW.


If you don't agree with your own self, how can anyone tell what you really think ?

 

I think GGG is gonna smoke him

 

Hopkins was so good at dictating the pace of a fight, I think He would nullify GGGs offense with good movement and precise counter punching. Would be a good fight though but I think Hopkins edges it.

 

the vote count couldn’t matter any less

Hopkins performances at 168 and 175 don’t mean anything . We’re discussing a 160 fight.I saw him lose twice to jermaine Taylor at 160 before all those great performances at 168 and 175.
Before the Taylor losses his best wins was a chubby middleweight version of Trinidad and Oscar (and DLH was winning)

pick your very best version of Hopkins at 160… the best GGG dominates wider than jermaine taylor did

** for the record , GGG smoked canelo in the first fight . Competitive but not close.
the second fight was pure redundancy that didn’t even need to happen but GGG won that close too

 

You can't say they are meaningless lol, that's just sticking your head in the sand because you don't like the truth. Yes fact is Hopkins resume at middleweight much like Golovkin's isn't all that impressive when compared to other great middleweights, Hopkins simply didn't have the competition at 160lbs to prove just how good he was, when he cleaned out the division. What he did have was a long reign with many defences, he dominated his division, eventually beating all the other title holders once Don King stopped protecting them from him.

If he had retired after the Taylor fights we wouldn't know just how great he was, specifically how smart he was and able to adapt his style as he aged and his body could no longer do the things he could in his prime. The ring IQ would be too much for Golovkin, especially against a prime 160lbs Hopkins or even a slightly physically past prime one that schooled Tito.

Your definition of smoked is odd, smoked is what Hopkins did to Tito or De La Hoya, the first GGG/Canelo fight was competitive as you say, the 2nd fight less so, in fact I had Canelo winning that. Fact is Golovkin even if you scored their fights for him, never really smoked Canelo, he struggled to figure him out, often made to fight in the centre where Canelo wanted the fight to be fought, was never really in control at any point in their fights as they were so competitive.

 

Golovkin has a great defense, great chin, and a great jab, and is extremely strong. I see the Golovkin that beat Jacobs, who was fighting at another level that night having an extremely close competitive fight with Hopkins. His defense is better when his foe is more dangerous. I favor Golovkin over Pavlik and Taylor although they would be highly competitive. I also think that Golovkin won the first two fights with Canelo, who is an elite operator who can hang with fighters from other generations.

 

Has to be Hopkins here