Was Usyk Unbeatable At Cruiserweight ?

The trouble wasn't that you were picking Wilder, it was that you denounced others for not seeing how great he is and you were completely pompous, arrogant and condescending about it.......just like now, with Usyk.

Your ridiculous confidence showed that you simply DKSAB. Most would have disappeared forever after the rot you carried on with. You certainly went quiet for a while tho and suddenly Fury went from being simple 1 round KO pickings for Wilder to a giant among giants and an incredible fighter.....all to keep the Wilder nut hugging train going. It's hardly a secret around here for long term members however. Here you are tho, being the same condescending **** wit you've always been.

But it's obviously close to being over for you. Like that other idiot your ego, arrogance and complete lack of self awareness will not allow you to compensate and survive.

 

And here's my old chestnut for our numerous new posters -

Just for anyone new or those not fully familiar with the immense quality of poster you've been up against, or who has been attempting to belittle you.......well you should know he's a real expert when it comes to Wilder and the below is the sort of expert unbiased insights you can expect. Tread carefully folks, he sure can recognize an all time great when he sees one!!! An ATG!

Don't be that "straggler on the bandwagon" peeps!!!!!!!!

Dubblechin said: ↑
Wilder TKO1 Fury in their rematch.

Wilder knows how to attack Fury now. Wilder will come into the ring around 228 - roughly 15 or 16 pounds bigger than last time. He's already had Fury down twice. He'll start fast. The added weight and power will blow Fury's mind.

Fury fought basically the perfect fight last time, against a severely underweight Wilder, and Fury still couldn't win.

Against a heavier, stronger more aggressive Wilder, Fury's going to be overwhelmed.

Short night's work for Wilder.

Dubblechin said: ↑
Wilder weighed less for the first Fury fight than any bout except his pro debut. Wilder was emaciated. And he said he lost weight after the weigh in.

People go on and on about Fury's conditioning, but the first fight with Wilder was one of the best performances of Fury's career. And it'll go down in history as one of the best performances Fury every delivered in the ring.

Fury was in better shape for the first Wilder fight than he was for Hammer or either Chisora fight. He'd been in camp for nearly an entire year. And Fury was very sharp when he stepped in the ring for the WBC title.

Wilder was arguably the weakest he'd been for any fight since his debut, and he still had Fury on the deck twice. Wilder is a more ferocious puncher when he weighs in the 220s. He'll weigh in the high 220s for Ortiz and Fury.

Wilder's about to face two guys who he's already had down five times in total. He's going to come in heavier and stronger in their rematches and just walk thru both.

Dubblechin said: ↑
Wilder clearly wasn't 100 percent, either. And now Wilder also knows what he has to do to drop Fury, since he did it twice. So he'll get right on it.

Dubblechin said: ↑
I've been listening to this nonsense that Tyson Fury will be better for the rematch. Tyson Fury was sharp as hell and fighting at an excellent weight for him the night he faced Wilder.

Wilder, on the other hand, didn't fight well at all. And yet he still nearly pulled out a TKO win at the end. Wilder was scrawny. He missed a lot. He wasn't sharp at all. Fury was.

All Wilder has to do is have a NORMAL camp, come in weighing 226/228, and come out aggressively ... which he should since he knows he can floor Fury and Fury - despite being nearly 50 pounds heavier than Wilder - couldn't drop Wilder.

Dubblechin said: ↑
But the argument that Fury was not at his best for their first meeting and Wilder was, is a joke. Their weights told the story as much as anything else. Fury was a little lighter than he's been for most of his fights, and Wilder was totally depleted and fought like it.

Dubblechin said: ↑
Deontay Wilder flooring Tyson Fury twice and successfully defending his title is something you guys purposely leave out all the time and it blows any argument you're trying to make.

Wilder successfully defending against Fury was a better successful defense than any defense Marciano made. Layne and Matthews weren't even title defenses, and Matthews was a SMALL light heavyweight. That would be like if Wilder obliterated a super middleweight contender right now, like Billy Joe Saunders. That's a joke.

Apples to apples.

Do you honestly believe Harry Matthews is a tougher out than Tyson Fury?

I'm not going to do this today. I just hope all these threads are preserved and you guys stick around for a couple years. Because they're going to be hysterical soon.

Dubblechin said: ↑
You're wrong about Wilder. Comically wrong. He's an all-time great. He'll be a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's making his 10th consecutive defense next. Some of you guys aren't the brightest bulbs, clearly. Some day you'll catch up.

There's always a straggler on the bandwagon.

Dubblechin said: ↑
I can recognize an all-timer when I see one. Wilder is an all-timer. I've been following boxing since the 1970s ... I've never seen a heavyweight in that time like him.

Dubblechin said: ↑
When Wilder stops Fury early in the rematch, Marciano-Walcott 1 and 2 will look like a Poor Man's Wilder-Fury 1 & 2.

Dubblechin said: ↑
When did I agree to that?

It was one of Wilder's worst performances. He came in way too light and his timing was off all night. Still, he threw more punches in every round but one and scored two hard knockdowns.

It was arguably Fury's best performance.

I expect Wider to finish him quicker next time.

 

I should've disappeared forever because I picked a dominant champion (five years and 10 successful defenses) who stopped everyone he faced in his career ... to win by knockout over a guy he already successfully defended against and floored twice?

And when the guy who knocked out everyone didn't, I didn't know anything about boxing?

Whatever man. The fact you pop on to threads to post quotes you saved that I wrote THREE YEARS ago ... says more about you than me. People make wrong predictions on here daily. I must get a lot right if you're "hanging on" to quotes from 2020 and you keep reposting them in threads that have nothing to do about that topic.

I couldn't tell you from one day to the next who predicted WHAT around here. I'm certainly not clinging to some years-old prediction someone made.

People also badmouth me round the clock here. I take it and I dish it out. No harm, no foul.

Now that you've totally derailed the thread, I'll move on. You're just another guy who screams WILDER WILDER WILDER when he has nothing to add.

 

Dubble returns and goes right back to getting gangraped in a thread. What a surprise.

 

Fortunately I find most posters on this forum, like your good self John, are knowledgeable and reasonable.

If you strip it back to the most basic level, most people choose to post on forums because - 1) They enjoy constructing arguments that alter the perceptions of others; and/or 2) They want to learn/gain new insights from others. Certainly, both apply to my reasons for contributing here.

It does make me wonder what the minority of posters (I won't name any, most people will have the same few in mind that i do) who don't even attempt to disguise their bias, who routinely apply double standards and change the goalposts during debates, get out of posting. Their approach turns people off to their arguments, so they don't alter anyone's perception and they are certainly too closed minded to learn from anyone else, so what do they get from posting, over and above what they would get from typing notes into a private document only they will see? Or is it that their lack of self awareness is such that they operate under the misguided notion that others think they are credible?

 

The biggest issue with Wilder is how terrible his resume is not losing to Fury. Objectively those losses are not that bad.

However his resume is very poor given who was available to fight. I would say even guys like Byrd and Ruiz have more impressive win resumes.

 

Or those who ask questions, and when someone takes the time to respond ...they say, "I didn't bother to read it."

Then they have the nerve to ask you another question. Or speak glowingly of themselves that they're just here to "gain new insights."

(But I don't want to call anyone out specifically.)

Just awful.

 

Wilder made 10 successful WBC title defenses ... the eighth coming when he floored Fury twice and successfully defended the title against him.

If Usyk floors Fury twice and the fight ends in a draw ... and Usyk retains all his titles ... I'm going to go out on a limb and say people who like Usyk won't see that as a bad result.

Call me crazy, but I think they'll be just fine with that.

In fact, they may even see that as the biggest accomplishment of his career to date ... retaining all his titles against Fury.

Given the weight difference and many still feeling Fury is rightful Lineal World Heavyweight champ and all.

(You know, that reminds me of another situation. Can't quite put my finger on it.)

 

I wasn't as familiar with you as others clearly are. I got part way through reading your lengthy response and as I said at the time, saw you were all over the place, saw the sorts of traits multiple others commenting in this thread have alluded to, and decided it wasn't worth my time reading the remainder.

I assure you that you're the only poster I've responded to advising I haven't read their entire post. Yet I've responded to posts of many dozens of different posters.

 

Agreed. As limited as he is, I suspect Wilder is and will continue to be underrated by hardcore boxing fans in H2H discussions, because of his relatively poor resume.

Whilst I suspect Whyte is a little faded, he deserved to be ranked #7 in the world, at the worst, going into the Fury fight. Comparing how Wilder fared vs Fury relative to the c.#7 ranked HW, hints at a tough prospect for all but the best H2H HWs in history, as well as a potentially dangerous assignment for anyone.

 

I've been here for nearly a decade. It's just the same few folks. You can admit you're wrong. (Which I have.) You can have an opinion on a fighter and change it (Which I have).

I picked against Usyk against Joshua. I said negative things. Then I had nothing but praise for him during the round-by-round for the first Joshua fight as my opinion of him was proven wrong. I gave him all the credit. I acknowledged all the things I said. I was happy to be proven wrong.

Then you move on and think everything is fine. And then the same "handful" pop out of the woodwork in some random thread years later still holding some gripe they have from some thread years earlier with "saved" comments you made.

Forget what you said after that. Your admitting you were wrong isn't copied and saved. That would ruin the "narrative."

Everyone around here is pretty good with dishing it out and taking it and cutting people slack.

But the same handful are only good with the "dishing" part. It is what it is.

One of the "handful" is a member (who I have on Ignore who is bashing me in this thread) and he actually follows me so he can get updates when I post. I don't care what he posts. I block what he posts. I only see it before I log in. But he apparently wants to see everything I type. That's the weird nonsense going on with some here.

At this point, I try to ignore them.

 

The 1st paragraph on this page explains you predicting the incorrect outcome in a fight isn't the cause of other poster's disdain for you.

John has never been anything other than courteous to me and I towards him, as with the majority of others I've interacted with, yet we've both been discourteous towards you. I'd invite you to consider why that may be, but I'd be wasting my time.

Anyway, you're taking enough stick from others on this thread as it is, so I won't take up any more posts addressing you.

 

That's nice you get along with him. But John has been nothing but rude to me for years now. I don't comment on any posts of John's in any threads. I have no idea what I ever said to him or if I even did say something directly to him to set him off. (He isn't the member following my posts who I have on Ignore, that's another guy).

The only interaction I have with him is when he comes into a thread to personally insult me.

If he can't get a rise out of me, then he starts posting quotes I made years ago to try to draw me out, like he did today. (Trust me, I have no "saved" comments by anyone who ever posted here. If I don't like what they say, I just don't converse with them.)

If you have a good relationship, great. Just don't disagree with him too strenuously. Or, apparently, he'll keep a file on his computer of anything you said wrong and throw it back in your face for years (which is normal). Because that's what he's been doing to me for a long time now.

I just come here to talk boxing, not to hold personal grudges.