Why do Marciano fans attempt to downplay Liston & Foreman?

This whole thread proves that Marciano detractors are for more interested in baiting the Marciano defenders than the defenders are in downplaying Foreman and Liston. Its an obscene fetish when you think about it.

 

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It does nothing of the sort it demonstrates that "Rockistas" downplay Liston and Foreman so that they can say," see size doesn't come into it,Rocky would find a way to beat those guys."
They worship at the shrine of the," Mythical Mighty Midget Marciano."
The truth is very ,very few men under 200lbs would have a realistic chance against todays top behemoths.
To be successful they would need agility,speed, great head movement, be fast into range ,accurate ,possess fast hands, have the ability to trigger off short power punches in salvos, power over and above what their body frame would normally possess,an excellent chin ,a resistance to cuts because of being outranged before getting inside,have core muscular strength,the ability to keep their shape when in attack,[no wide open lunges,] and a highly developed killer instinct,because they would not have the luxury of taking their time.
Sam Langford is the poster boy for the small pocket giant who possessed extraordinary power,but when he came up against a tall rangy jabber, Fulton, and a ringwise Wills ,as his own speed was dropping off he came badly unstuck.
Jack Dempsey is really the only small guy I can give a realistic chance with these modern goliaths,and that is because of his speed into attack ,his power , his bobbing and weaving as he came in, and his proven track record against big men,albeit men not of the quality of today's guys.Frazier ? He gets worn down by the middle to late rounds,though I pick him to lose against Marciano,I think he would do better against the modern juggernauts because he was quicker into range ,had better head movement ,reistance to cuts,and carried another 20lbs on him.
Diatribe over,


Rocky ? Too slow of both feet and hand.

 

Talk for yourself

 

So what are you insinuating?

 

Your correct someone under 200 pounds would probably not be able to compete today but for that matter Foreman and Liston also would be unlikely to make it. Since the mid 90s the best heavyweight in the world has consistently been 240+ and 6'4 or more. This doesn't just apply to Marciano. Foreman sized heavies haven't been able to reach the top either.

 

Also, I don't think there are many Marciano fans that think he would be able to compete in todays division. In the 60s and 70s he would have a much better shot.

 

Could someone walk me through how downgrading Foreman and Liston -even if you do so persuasively - would make Marciano look better? That seems like a very indirect logical pathway to take. Incidentally I consider myself a Marciano fan, and have so high an opinion of Liston and Foreman many would probably accuse me of overrating them.

 

It’s a very unusual accusation isn’t it?

Marciano was a small over achiever and (in his first career) the larger Foreman was a gifted underachiever. In his later career George was a limited veteran fighter who amazed everyone. Sonny was a great fighter with a thinner resume. Pointing any of this out is not scope to attack anyone.

 

This was partially addressed in the May edition of the Ring Andre Ward was asked his opinion of the upcoming Joshua v Parker fight referring to Parker he said,"they say he's a little undersized,but is he really?You get to a certain point as a heavyweight and you can be 215lbs,200,230 and that enough for anyone over 260lbs,if you know what you are doing".
Q. What did Wilder weigh for his last fight against 240lbs+ Ortiz?
A.214.75lbs

 

Exactly it Mac. If a guy around 220 is good enough he could absolutely match up with and conceivably dominate everyone right now.

 

Oh I get it!

So 220 guys have a chance with 260 guys but 190 guys have no chance with 220 guys?

 

Yep… it took some time, but I do believe you finally got it!